Quality Factor in damped oscillation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the quality factor (Q) in damped oscillations, specifically how it relates to energy loss per cycle and the frequency of an underdamped oscillator. Participants are exploring theoretical aspects and mathematical relationships associated with these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the quality factor Q is defined as \( Q = \frac{2\pi}{(\Delta E/E)_{cycle} } \), interpreting \((\Delta E/E)_{cycle}\) as the energy loss per cycle.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in proving the relationship \(\frac{b}{2m\omega_{0}} = \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}\), despite knowing the energy expression \(E = E_{0}e^{-bt/m}\).
  • There is a mention of the frequency of an underdamped oscillator being expressed in terms of the natural frequency \(\omega_{0}\) and the Q factor, but the connection to the quality factor remains unclear to some participants.
  • One participant notes that if \(Q > \sqrt{1/2}\), the peak resonant frequency can be expressed as \(\omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}}\), indicating some understanding of the implications of Q on frequency.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the definitions of parameters \(b\) and \(m\), with a question raised about whether the system in question is mechanical or electrical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of the relationship between \(b\), \(m\), and \(Q\). There are multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of the quality factor and its implications, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the parameters involved, particularly \(b\) and \(m\), which are not clearly defined in the context provided. The discussion also reflects unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the energy loss per cycle.

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Working through my lecture summaries, I have been given that Q (the quality factor) =\frac{2\pi}{(\Delta E/E)cycle}

and accepted this as a statement, taking \((\Delta E/E)cycle} to mean the 'energy loss per cycle'.

The notes carry on to say

'The frequency \widetilde{\omega} of under(damped) oscillator as function of the frequency \omega_{0} and the Q factor:

\widetilde{\omega} = \omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - (\frac{b}{2m\omega_{0})^{2}}} = \omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}

My problem being that I cannot prove that \frac{b}{2m\omega_{0}} = \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}

Knowing that E = E_{0}exp^{-bt/m} i tried finding the energy loss per cycle by finding the difference between the energy at time t and the energy at time t + T (where T is the time period) but just ened up with an unhelpfull equation.
 
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any help would be much appreciated so i can get rid of this irritating missing link.
 
ok - i appreciate that <br /> \((\Delta E/E)cycle}<br /> means energy loss per cycle divided by energy stored - where energy stored would be <br /> E = E_{0}exp^{-bt/m}<br />

but i still cannot prove it
 
Mattofix said:
Working through my lecture summaries, I have been given that Q (the quality factor) =\frac{2\pi}{(\Delta E/E)cycle}

and accepted this as a statement, taking \((\Delta E/E)cycle} to mean the 'energy loss per cycle'.

The notes carry on to say

'The frequency \widetilde{\omega} of under(damped) oscillator as function of the frequency \omega_{0} and the Q factor:

\widetilde{\omega} = \omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - (\frac{b}{2m\omega_{0})^{2}}} = \omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}

My problem being that I cannot prove that \frac{b}{2m\omega_{0}} = \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}

Knowing that E = E_{0}exp^{-bt/m} i tried finding the energy loss per cycle by finding the difference between the energy at time t and the energy at time t + T (where T is the time period) but just ened up with an unhelpfull equation.

i can tell you why, if Q&gt;\sqrt{1/2} that the peak resonant frequency is

\omega_{0}\sqrt{1 - \frac{1}{4Q^{2}}

if \omega_0 the "natural" resonant frequency (i don't know what to call it) of the system. but i do not know what b and m are and can't tell from the context. is this a second order mechanical system or an electrical system?
 

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