Quantum field in curved space-time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between quantum mechanics (QM) and general relativity (GR), specifically regarding how the wave function for correlated particles is affected by curved space-time. Participants explore whether distances and paths in the wave function adhere to the principles of GR or if Euclidean distance is assumed in QM.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the distances and paths of movement for correlated particles in the wave function follow the curved space-time of GR or if they assume Euclidean distance in QM.
  • One participant argues that Euclidean distance does not align with GR and that classical curved space-time does not fit with QM, suggesting that resolving this would be a significant advancement in quantum gravity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that using non-relativistic QM is inappropriate when discussing relativity, advocating for the use of quantum field theory (QFT) in curved space-time, where the concept of a wave function does not apply.
  • It is noted that the wave function does not describe distances and paths of movement, even in non-relativistic QM.
  • A later reply clarifies that in quantum theory on curved space-time, a curved geometry is indeed utilized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of Euclidean distance in QM and the interpretation of the wave function in the context of GR and QFT. No consensus is reached on how to reconcile these theories.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between QM and GR, particularly in defining the wave function and its implications in curved space-time. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or conceptual challenges presented.

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Quick question about relationship between QM and general relativity
The wave function includes coordinates for position in space. For two distant but correlated particles, do their distances and paths of movement used in the wave function follow the curved space-time of general relativity, or is Euclidean distance assumed in QM?
 
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I support neither of your idea : Eucledian distance does not fit with GR and classical curved space-time doe s not seem fit with QM. If you could get an answer, you would be honerd as a pioneer of quamtum gravity.
 
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Gary Venter said:
The wave function includes coordinates for position in space.
Here you are using non-relativistic QM.

Gary Venter said:
For two distant but correlated particles, do their distances and paths of movement used in the wave function follow the curved space-time of general relativity
Here you are trying to use relativity, which means you can't use non-relativistic QM. You have to use quantum field theory, and in curved spacetime to boot, in which there is no such thing as a "wave function". That's not how QFT models things.
 
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Gary Venter said:
their distances and paths of movement used in the wave function
There are no such things even in non-relativistic QM. The wave function does not describe "distances and paths of movement".
 
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Gary Venter said:
TL;DR Summary: Quick question about relationship between QM and general relativity

or is Euclidean distance assumed in QM?
No. In quantum theory on curved spacetime, a curved geometry is used.
 
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