Quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum and their implications for the creation of space and time. Participants explore theoretical interpretations, models, and the relationship between different states of vacuum and spacetime, with a focus on the implications of these ideas in the context of cosmology and quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a metastable false vacuum and quantum fluctuations are fundamentally linked, suggesting that fluctuations are the essence of the field itself.
  • There is a contention regarding the nature of the vacuum, with some arguing that a metastable false vacuum does not require space to exist, while others challenge this notion.
  • Participants discuss the idea that the transition from a metastable false vacuum to a true vacuum creates a "bubble" of spacetime, but the nature of this bubble and its relationship to the surrounding spacetime remains unclear.
  • Some participants question whether the spacetime in a metastable false vacuum is the same as the spacetime we experience, noting that it may be infinite and expanding, yet fundamentally different.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the B.G.V. theorem and whether an infinite spacetime can have a beginning, with some suggesting that spatially infinite models can still have initial singularities.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the indirect evidence supporting models of the metastable false vacuum, highlighting the speculative nature of current research.
  • Questions arise about the choice of expanding spacetime in the referenced paper and whether it aligns with the models being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several key points, including the nature of the metastable false vacuum, the implications of its existence for spacetime, and the validity of models that include it. Multiple competing views remain, and the discussion is characterized by ongoing questions and clarifications.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the models discussed, the reliance on indirect evidence for the metastable false vacuum, and the unresolved questions regarding the relationship between spatially infinite models and initial singularities.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring advanced topics in quantum field theory, cosmology, and the philosophical implications of vacuum states in physics.

  • #31
momo666 said:
I forgot to ask but is the Universe created in this paper a zero-energy one ? And do we know if our Universe is a zero-energy one or is that question still unanswered ?

The concept of "the total energy of the universe" is not well-defined, so these questions are unanswerable.
 
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  • #32
PeterDonis said:
The concept of "the total energy of the universe" is not well-defined, so these questions are unanswerable.
Does the paper rely on such concepts though ? Event if it is not well-defined, it could be clear if it does indeed invoke it right ?
 
  • #33
momo666 said:
Does the paper rely on such concepts though ?

No, because the paper's authors know that the concept is not well-defined. You are the only one bringing up the concept.
 
  • #34
Within the theory of Eternal Inflation, it is said that a quantum fluctuation of some sort at some "point in the meta-stable false vacuum space" caused the false vacuum to decay out to a lower vacuum energy and form bubbles with matter and photons. Though each bubble may have different constants and parameters (like G, h, and c), the implication is that each false vacuum (including the so called meta-space) has at least some common physics such as quantum fluctuations, expansion (perhaps), space, vacuum energy, time, and apparently the uncertainty principle.

Is this right? Are there "intrinsic laws" ?

Also, I don't recall anything in the lectures I've seen considers any space "infinite"; just sometimes growing really fast and really big, but not infinite. I doubt infinity actually exists in nature, only as a concept. But, I'm often wrong. (
 
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  • #35
I saw just yesterday an interview with Lawrence Krauss, the cosmologist, say that he considers the universe to have overall zero energy. His reasoning was that the expansion does work. Also, as vacuum energy is added, so is gravity added which is a negative energy. Not sure I fully understand.
 
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  • #36
Thuring said:
he considers the universe to have overall zero energy. His reasoning was that the expansion does work. Also, as vacuum energy is added, so is gravity added which is a negative energy. Not sure I fully understand.

Sean Carroll wrote an excellent article a while back that explains what's going on here:

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

Here is the key quote from the article for your question:

We all agree on the science; there are just divergent views on what words to attach to the science. In particular, a lot of folks would want to say “energy is conserved in general relativity, it’s just that you have to include the energy of the gravitational field along with the energy of matter and radiation and so on.”

Krauss is one of the "folks" Carroll is describing here. Carroll makes a different choice: he prefers to say that energy is not conserved in GR in a spacetime which is not stationary ("stationary" is the technical term for a spacetime like the one describing our universe as a whole, where there is no way to pick out a notion of "space" that does not change with time). He explains his reasons for preferring his choice over Krauss's choice in the article. But both are describing the same physics; they're just choosing different ways of doing it in ordinary language. Ultimately, that's why ordinary language isn't a good way to describe physics if you really want to understand it; you have to look at the math (and Krauss and Carroll are both describing the same math).
 
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  • #37
Thuring said:
I don't recall anything in the lectures I've seen considers any space "infinite"

Our best current model of the universe is spatially infinite. But there is enough margin of error in our observations that it's still possible that the universe is not actually spatially infinite, just really, really large. Both kinds of models are mathematically consistent, so the only way we have to decide between them is by making more and more accurate measurements.
 
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Thuring said:
Within the theory of Eternal Inflation, it is said that a quantum fluctuation of some sort at some "point in the meta-stable false vacuum space" caused the false vacuum to decay out to a lower vacuum energy and form bubbles with matter and photons.

My understanding is that if you pick any point in a metastable vacuum phase and observe what happens to it, it will inevitably decay into a stable phase (by either nucleating a bubble, or by being swept up by an expanding bubble nucleated nearby).

However, since metastable phase is inflationary, the _volume_ of the space which has not decayed yet is always larger than the one which decayed.

Though each bubble may have different constants and parameters (like G, h, and c)

The key word here is "may". There may be just two phases - one metastable and one stable. Or there may be many different stable phases with equal energy. It depends on the details of the theory. So far inflationary theories are not narrowed down to just one, well-developed theory, so we don't know whether there is one, or many stable vacuums.
 
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