Quantum Fluctuations & Virtual Bosons for Amateur Physicists

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for resources on quantum fluctuations and virtual bosons, specifically targeting amateur physicists with some background in physics and mathematics. Participants explore the availability of suitable textbooks or alternative materials that are not overly simplified or prohibitively expensive.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding resources that are not overly simplistic or expensive, seeking suggestions for books or PDFs.
  • Several participants suggest conducting a forum search for existing threads or free texts related to the topic.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of "free texts" and the availability of resources that meet the participant's needs.
  • One participant asserts that finding an in-depth book that is neither a textbook nor a popularization may be challenging.
  • Another participant suggests that virtual particles are part of Quantum Field Theory (QFT) and recommends specific texts, including A. Zee's "Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell" and others, noting that they may not be in the $100 range.
  • There is a back-and-forth regarding the shifting requirements of the original poster, with some participants expressing frustration over the lack of clarity in what is being sought.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of foundational knowledge in quantum theory before tackling QFT, outlining specific prerequisites that could aid in understanding the subject.
  • Participants discuss the notion of popular science books versus more serious textbooks, with one suggesting that the "Theoretical Minimum" series might be a suitable compromise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of suitable texts, with some expressing skepticism about finding appropriate resources while others suggest specific titles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to finding the desired materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of foundational knowledge in quantum mechanics and the challenges of finding texts that balance accessibility with depth. There is an acknowledgment of the shifting criteria for what constitutes an acceptable resource.

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I am searching for anything on quantum fluctuations and virtual bosons for someone who is a serious but amateur physicist ie. I have completed undergrad physics/math and some graduate level math at university. I am having a hard time finding anything that isn't beyond pop science. Not really sure if I'm willing to put down 100+ $ on a textbook but I seem to be left with little choice. Any suggestions would be great!
Thanks
 
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I suggest a forum search to see what you can find here.
 
phinds said:
I suggest a forum search to see what you can find here.
Search for threads or through the free texts?
 
dsaun777 said:
Search for threads or through the free texts?
What are "the free texts" ?
 
phinds said:
What are "the free texts" ?
The thread that is marked free science books and lists free texts
 
Ah, I see. No I was not suggesting that you look for a book (although that's not a bad idea) but that you search the threads for your topics of interest. That's what it MEANS to do a "forum search".
 
phinds said:
Ah, I see. No I was not suggesting that you look for a book (although that's not a bad idea) but that you search the threads for your topics of interest. That's what it MEANS to do a "forum search".
But that's just it I'm looking for books or pdf's, I suppose a good thread would help but I'm interested more in depth.
 
I don't think you're going to find what you want: an in-depth book that is not a textbook nor a popularization, one that's accessible to someone without all the prerequisites.,
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I don't think you're going to find what you want: an in-depth book that is not a textbook nor a popularization, one that's accessible to someone without all the prerequisites.,
What would a good text be then?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I don't think you're going to find what you want

dsaun777 said:
What would a good text be then?

Again, I don't think you're going to find what you want.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Again, I don't think you're going to find what you want.
So I should just stop studying physics?
 
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dsaun777 said:
So I should just stop studying physics?

Drama will not make a nonexistent book appear.
 
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@dsaun777 you have asked questions and we have given you answers. Your not liking the answers isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
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phinds said:
@dsaun777 you have asked questions and we have given you answers. Your not liking the answers isn't going to get you anywhere.
Vanadium 50 said:
Drama will not make a nonexistent book appear.
So there are no texts at the undergrad or graduate level at all on virtual particles?
 
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dsaun777 said:
So there are no texts at the undergrad or graduate level at all on virtual particles?
Virtual particles are an element of a calculational method in Quantum Field Theory called perturbation theory. So what you need to study is Quantum Field Theory.

You might enjoy A. Zee's "Quantum Filed Theory in a Nutshell", Lancaster and Blundell's "Quantum Field Theory for the gifted amateur" or Klauber's "Student Friendly Quantum Field Theory".

New and especially used copies aren't in the $100 range for any of them.
 
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dsaun777 said:
Not really sure if I'm willing to put down 100+ $ on a textbook
dsaun777 said:
So there are no texts at the undergrad or graduate level at all on virtual particles?

If your requirements keep shifting (not a textbook, then a textbook), we can't help you. What exactly are you looking for?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
If your requirements keep shifting (not a textbook, then a textbook), we can't help you. What exactly are you looking for?
Now I'm looking for a textbook, I realize what I'm looking for can only be found there. I was just apprehensive about purchasing a pricey textbook so I was hoping for a cheaper alternative. However, I like DarMM suggestions and will start with those.
 
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dsaun777 said:
So I should just stop studying physics?
No, you should start or, given your preknowledge indicated in #1, rather continuing studying physics. With your prerequesites it shouldn't be a problem to just go on! Before starting relativististic quantum-field theory, it's important to have a good knowledge of non-relativistic quantum theory, represented in the representation free Dirac formalism. The most helpful prerequisite for QFT is to understand the harmonic oscillator really in depth, covering the following points

(1) introduction of the annihilation and creation operators of "phonons" in solving the energy-eigenvalue problem for the simple harmonic oscillator
(2) understanding the formulation of the harmonic oscillator in terms of the Heisenberg picture
(3) the propagator of the harmonic oscillator
(4) not that important but helpful, if interested in quantum optics rather than QED in the HEP context: coherent states

Then it's not too difficult to also learn a bit about many-body quantum theory in the 2nd-quantization formalism mapping the (free) fields to an equivalent collection of independent harmonic oscillators.

After that you can start with relativistic QFT too.

As already Platon said, concerning math: There's no king's way, you have to learn it! Popular-science books on quantum (field) theory are usually not evern wrong caricatures of what the theory is all about. The best book coming close to a popular-science book but is still more on the serious textbook side is the QT volume of Suskinds "Theoretical Minimum" series.
 
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dsaun777 said:
Now I'm looking for a textbook, I realize what I'm looking for can only be found there. I was just apprehensive about purchasing a pricey textbook so I was hoping for a cheaper alternative. However, I like DarMM suggestions and will start with those.

What you are looking for, if we go back to your first post, and ignoring your requirement of a free, online text, is a book on quantum field theory!

So look for a text on QFT that is being used in a school. I believe several texts have been mentioned in the textbook list and in various threads on QFT.

Zz.
 
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