Question about a beam of light

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The discussion revolves around the nature of a beam of white light, specifically whether it is a combination of photons or electromagnetic waves with varying wavelengths. Participants explore the implications of this in relation to the output of a prism and the concept of infinite wavelengths in visible light compared to a laser beam.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a beam of white light consists of electromagnetic waves moving through space with different wavelengths.
  • Others argue that the output of a prism demonstrates an infinite number of wavelengths in visible light, contrasting this with the discrete wavelengths of a laser beam.
  • A participant questions how to measure the infinite amount of waves and energy in light, specifically in terms of lux.
  • Another participant explains that photons become relevant when light interacts with matter, and that all waves, including light, can be described by the wave equation, which allows for the summation of different wavelengths to produce complex waveforms.
  • It is noted that a beam of ordinary white light can be seen as a combination of waves at all possible wavelengths, leading to a continuous spectrum when passed through a prism.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the nature of light, with some agreeing on the concept of infinite wavelengths while others seek clarification on measurement and physical implications. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of light, the definitions of terms like "wavelength," and the mathematical implications of wave behavior. These aspects are not fully explored or resolved.

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I can't understand this term. Specially a beam of white light. Is it a combination of photons or electromagnetic waves that moving in space with different wavelengths?
Since output of a prism is analogous transition of colors that makes me think there are infinite number of wavelengths in visible light in contrast to a laser beam. Much like infinite numbers between two numbers in math but how's the physical translation? Cuz numbers don't exist but light do. What am I missing here?
Thanks a lot
 
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Mosio said:
I can't understand this term. Specially a beam of white light. Is it a combination of photons or electromagnetic waves that moving in space with different wavelengths?
yes
Since output of a prism is analogous transition of colors that makes me think there are infinite number of wavelengths in visible light in contrast to a laser beam.
yes
Much like infinite numbers between two numbers in math but how's the physical translation?
huh? The physical translation is exactly what you just said ... light can have an infinite range of frequencies.
Cuz numbers don't exist but light do.
so?
What am I missing here?
You don't seem to be missing anything other than confidence that you understand it.
 
phinds said:
light can have an infinite range of frequencies.
phinds said:
so?
So this means infinite amount of waves, photons and thus energy. how can we simply measure it and say e.g. it's n lux?
And how will the waveform look like?
 
Mosio said:
I can't understand this term. Specially a beam of white light. Is it a combination of photons or electromagnetic waves that moving in space with different wavelengths
It is an electromagnetic wave moving through space. Photons don't come into the picture until the light beam hits something and we need to do detailed calculations about exactly how the electromagnetic waves exchange energy and momentum with whatever they've hit.
Since output of a prism is analogous transition of colors that makes me think there are infinite number of wavelengths in visible light in contrast to a laser beam. Much like infinite numbers between two numbers in math but how's the physical translation? Cuz numbers don't exist but light do. What am I missing here?
All waves - not just electromagnetic, but also sound waves, water waves in the ocean, the waves in a violin string, vibrations in a tuning fork, whatever - behave according to particular differential equation called the "wave equation". The wave equation is linear, meaning that it has the very nice property that if A and B are solutions of the wave equation, then A+B is also a solution. Furthermore, a pure wave with a specific wavelength is always a solution so any waveform, no matter how complex, can be treated as a bunch of different pure single-wavelength waves all moving through the same point in space at the same time, adding in ways that produce the actual physical waveform that we're working with. And it turns out that a beam of ordinary white ligtht is produced by summing waves at all possible wavelengths, so yes... There really are an infinite number of wavelengths in a beam of ordinary white light, and that's why prisms produce a continuous spectrum.
 
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