Question about a magnetic dipole in an inhomogeneous magnetic field.Please help

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a magnetic dipole in an inhomogeneous magnetic field, specifically in the context of the Stern-Gerlach experiment. Participants are exploring the implications of torque and deflection on the dipole's motion and alignment with the magnetic field.

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  • Participants are questioning the absence of torque in descriptions of the Stern-Gerlach experiment, considering both classical and quantum mechanical perspectives. They discuss the relationship between inhomogeneity of the magnetic field and the resulting motion of the dipole, including deflection and rotation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into classical and quantum explanations. Some have suggested that increasing inhomogeneity allows for significant deflection before rotation occurs, while others are clarifying their understanding of the magnetic field's characteristics and their effects on the dipole.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions and implications of inhomogeneity in the magnetic field, as well as the relationship between the dipole's motion and its alignment with the field lines. Participants are navigating these complexities without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Take the example of a magnetic dipole in a magnetic field. The dipole will experience a torque that will tend to align its magnetic moment with the field lines of the magnet. So why on Earth is there no mention made of this torque in any of the countless descriptions of the Stern Gerlach experiment I have read??! All the diagrams and applets I have seen show the magnetic dipole passsing through the field experiencing only deflection and no rotation! I am tearing my hair out over this one, am I missing something?! :cry:
 
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Your question has to be answered twice. First, classically (which doesn't really apply, but that wasn't known until after the experiment):
The inhomegenity can be made large enough so that there is significant deflection before much rotation takes place. You can see what is needed from the equations. You would have to assume a classical moment of inertia of the neutral particle.
Since QM is needed, this classical explanation is really irrelevant.

The QM explanation: The particle (if spin 1/2) can only be either up or down in the direction of the B field. The energy difference between the two states is \Delta E=2B\cdot\mu. The spin can only be flipped by an oscillating magnetic field of frequency \hbar\omega=\Delta E.
The field in the SG experiment are static, so no spin flip takes place
 
Meir Achuz said:
The energy difference between the two states is [tex]\Delta E=2B\cdot\mu[/tex]. The spin can only be flipped by an oscillating magnetic field of frequency [tex]\hbar\omega=\Delta E[/tex]

Thanks for your reply. Just thought i'd quote with the equations showing in tex. Still not sure I understand exactly how (in the classical view) increasing inhomogeneity decreases the amount of rotation. Would I be right in saying that because the dipole is moving and passing through an effecctively random changing field it never has time to align itself with any field lines? But in all diagrams I have seen the shape of the magnets is the same all allong the path of the beam and therefore it would be as if the dipole had been in a particular B field all through its path and so it would be rotated regardless of the inhomogeneity along the axis perpendicular to its path... I guess I don't understand.
 
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Actually I think I see now. What is meant by inhomogeneity is not necessarily about the diretion of the field lines but more about the increasing strength of the field in the z direction. If this gradient is made large enough the dipole will be deflected significantly by this magnetic gradient before it has time to rotate much, and the deflection vector depends upon the dipole magnetic moment vector. =)
 
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