Question about a Pair of Forces - Newton's Third Law

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of forces, specifically Newton's Third Law, in the context of a block resting on a table. The original poster questions the nature of the forces acting on the block, particularly the relationship between the gravitational force exerted by the Earth and the normal force exerted by the table.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate between the gravitational force acting on the block and the normal force from the table, questioning whether they constitute an action-reaction pair. They also seek clarification on the nature of the normal force and its relationship to the weight of the block.

Discussion Status

Some participants affirm the original poster's understanding of the forces involved, noting that the weight and normal force do not act on the same body and thus do not form an action-reaction pair. There is an exploration of the electromagnetic nature of the normal force and its role in maintaining equilibrium.

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Participants mention the need to consider different forces acting on the table and the implications of mass in the system, indicating that further exploration of these concepts may be necessary.

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I was looking at a picture (attachment) in a physics website and the following doubt arose:

I previously thought that the weight of the block (gravitational pull of the Earth on the block) caused a reaction force of the table, but now, from what I understand and, please correct me if I am wrong, those are not Newton's pair of forces because the weight is a force exerted by the Earth ON the block and the reaction force of the table is also ON the block, thus, two forces acting on the same body.

But, the diagram shows a second pair of forces it calls the normal reaction force due to the contact: I am not sure, but I remember my teacher saying that the nature of the normal reaction force is that as the block stands on the table it pushes some molecules of the table down and the molecules in turn push up. I am confused with that, because, if that really happened, wouldn't it be due to the weight and then the same problem of two forces acting on the body occur? So is that the nature of what the picture calls the normal reaction force due to contact?

Any help appreciated,
Thanks in advance,
ProPM.
 

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Hi ProPM :smile:

The picture is correct

The Newton's action rxn pair act on 2 different bodies and thus the weight and normal rxn is not Newton's action rxn pair

Here in pic, Earth and block attract by force mg
the block when placed on table (as we know) do not move down, so ner force on it must be 0

the upward force of magnitude mg comes from table ...
Your teacher is correct about this ... the normal force is electromagnetic, the 2 layers repel each other and the block is in equilibrium from table at a distance such that this normal force becomes equal to mg, (thus block stays at rest)

And according to The Newton's action rxn law, if table pushes block with a force F, block will also push table with mg in opposite direction (ie mg in this case downwards)

This pair is called action rxn pair
 
Cool, thanks!

So, just to make sure, the normal contact force is due to the contact of the box with the table because the Earth is pulling the box down on the table and the magnitude of the two forces shown in the new attachment are also mg?

Thanks a lot, sorry, I'm a bit insecure :blushing:

Thanks a lot Cupid.Callin,
ProPM
 

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ProPM said:
So, just to make sure, the normal contact force is due to the contact of the box with the table because the Earth is pulling the box down on the table and the magnitude of the two forces shown in the new attachment are also mg?

Yes both the N are mg.

(Note: do not think it will be same for the table also, i mean when block is placed on table of mass M, the floor wont exert Mg force on table... but i guess you can leave this concept for now, get back on this thread if you need help :biggrin:)
 

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