Question about Dynamics- force, acceleration

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a cyclist climbing a hill. The original poster presents a scenario where a cyclist travels at a speed of 20 km/h while ascending a 1 km high hill within a half-hour timeframe, seeking to determine the average total force required for this ascent.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of constant speed on the forces acting on the cyclist, question the accuracy of speed calculations, and discuss the geometry of the hill's ascent. There is also a focus on understanding the relationship between the vertical height and the distance traveled.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the cyclist's speed and the forces involved. Some suggest drawing diagrams to clarify the situation, while others express confusion regarding the hill's dimensions and the calculations needed to determine the required force.

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There is a noted discrepancy in understanding the hill's length versus its height, with participants attempting to reconcile the given information with their calculations. The discussion includes considerations of neglecting drag and friction in the analysis.

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Could someone please help me with this problem?

A cyclist, pedaling at 20 km per hour, climbs a 1 km high hill in a half hour. What average total force must she supply in order for her to make it on time? Assume that the mass of the cyclist plus cycle is 50 kg. Would this answer be accurate "in real life" or only with certain unrealistic assumptions?
 
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What are your thoughts so far?
 
Well, I've been staring at it for the past hour, and what I can't figure out is whether the biker is still going up the hill at the same rate, or if the road flattened out- does that even matter? I know that the speed is 20 km/hr, and since the biker got up a 1 km hill in half an hour, giving her a velocity of 2 km/hr-- am I even close?
 
mms05 said:
Well, I've been staring at it for the past hour, and what I can't figure out is whether the biker is still going up the hill at the same rate, or if the road flattened out- does that even matter? I know that the speed is 20 km/hr, and since the biker got up a 1 km hill in half an hour, giving her a velocity of 2 km/hr-- am I even close?
What is important here is that the cyclist is traveling with a constant speed. What does this constant speed suggests about all the forces acting on the cyclist? I would recommend drawing a diagram. I think you are a little off with your speed calculation, take another look at the question;
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A cyclist, pedaling at 20 km per hour, climbs a 1 km high hill in a half hour. What average total force must she supply in order for her to make it on time? Assume that the mass of the cyclist plus cycle is 50 kg.
A 1 km high hill means that at the top of the hill the cyclist has climbed 1km vertically, you need to use the speed (constant at 20km/hr) to calculate the length of the hill, the hypotenuse of a triangle.
 
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Since the speed of the cyclist is constant, the forces acting on her should all add up to zero. The length of the hill is 20 km? (I just used dimensional analysis). If the forces add up to zero since she is going at a constant speed, how do I know what force she has to apply to keep going up the hill?
 
mms05 said:
Since the speed of the cyclist is constant, the forces acting on her should all add up to zero. The length of the hill is 20 km? (I just used dimensional analysis).
You may want to recheck your distance, the cyclist is traveling at 20km/h and she climbs in the hill in half an hour :wink:
mms05 said:
If the forces add up to zero since she is going at a constant speed, how do I know what force she has to apply to keep going up the hill?
This is why I suggested drawing a diagram, what forces are acting down the slope (I think we can treat the cyclist as a particle and the hill as smooth, thus ignoring drag and friction etc.)?
 
ok, so she traveled 10 km in half an hour? I'm getting confused because the question states that the hill is 1 km long.

The forces acting on the slope are the weight of the cyclist/bike, and the normal force that's pushing up perpendicular to the slope, right?
 
It actually states that the hill is 1km HIGH. Imagine this is a cross-section of one side of the hill:

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|-\
|--\
|___\

The vertical line is 1km, you've worked out that the cyclist traveled 10km (the hypotenuse as Hootenany said), so you can work out what angle the cyclist is traveling at, and from that what propelling force is needed to counteract any other forces and maintain a constant speed (i.e. a net zero force).
 

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