Question about finding the limit of a^(1/n)

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression a^(1/n) as n approaches infinity, specifically for the case where a > 1. Participants are examining the implications of the proof structure and the assumptions made regarding the behavior of h = a^(1/n) - 1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants question why h is greater than 0 when a > 1 and whether the proof improperly assumes that a^(1/n) tends to 1. There is discussion about the validity of using the sandwich principle and the implications of Bernoulli's inequality in this context.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring the assumptions made in the proof and questioning the validity of certain steps. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of inequalities, but there is no consensus on the proof's validity or completeness.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the assumptions made in the proof, particularly regarding the behavior of h and the conditions under which the inequalities hold. There is an acknowledgment of the constraints imposed by the requirement that a > 1.

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Homework Statement


First part (a>1) of the proof:
Denote h = a^(1/n) - 1> -1
Then a = (1+h)^(n) >= 1+nh
so h <= (a-1) / n
Assume a > 1, so that 0 <h <= (a-1)/h n tends to infinity
By sandwich principle, lim n tends to infinity of h is 0

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Why is h > 0 when a > 1? Did the proof assume that a^(1/n) tends to one, so h = a^(1/n) - 1 > 0?
 
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Hi,

Let me guess: this is an example from textbook or blackboard (c.q. its modern equivalent) and it leaves you wondering ?
And the frst part (or the whole exercise?) is to prove this for ##a>1## -- for which we know that ##a^{\rm any\ power} > 0 ## ?

Clara Chung said:
Did the proof assume that a^(1/n) tends to one
That would invalidate the proof: you can't prove something by using what you want to prove as a correct assumption.

If my guess above is correct, the author expects that ##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a^{({1\over n})} = 1 ## and embarks on an expedition to prove that ##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a^{({1\over n})} - 1 = 0 ##

Clara Chung said:
Why is h > 0 when a > 1?
Mysterious. All I see so far is that ##h > -1## :rolleyes:

I also have difficulty understanding that ##(1+h)^n \ge 1+nh##, can you explain how that works for ##h>-1## ?
 
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BvU said:
Hi,

Let me guess: this is an example from textbook or blackboard (c.q. its modern equivalent) and it leaves you wondering ?
And the frst part (or the whole exercise?) is to prove this for ##a>1## -- for which we know that ##a^{\rm any\ power} > 0 ## ?

That would invalidate the proof: you can't prove something by using what you want to prove as a correct assumption.

If my guess above is correct, the author expects that ##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a^{({1\over n})} = 1 ## and embarks on an expedition to prove that ##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} a^{({1\over n})} - 1 = 0 ##

Mysterious. All I see so far is that ##h > -1## :rolleyes:

I also have difficulty understanding that ##(1+h)^n \ge 1+nh##, can you explain how that works for ##h>-1## ?

How do you see that h > -1 only?
If h > -1, we can use the bernoulli's inequality, so (1+h)^(n) >= 1+nh ....
 
Clara Chung said:
If h > -1, we can use the bernoulli's inequality, so (1+h)^(n) >= 1+nh ....
Very good - that's what I was fishing for.
Clara Chung said:
How do you see that h > -1 only?
It's what you wrote
Clara Chung said:
Denote h = a^(1/n) - 1> -1
and it can only be correct if ##a^{(1/n)}>0## -- fortunately, that is the case for ##a>1##.

What's stilll missing is a proof that ##h>0## -- or am I mistaken ?
 
BvU said:
Very good - that's what I was fishing for.
It's what you wrote
and it can only be correct if ##a^{(1/n)}>0## -- fortunately, that is the case for ##a>1##.

What's stilll missing is a proof that ##h>0## -- or am I mistaken ?
The teacher wanted to prove that lim a^(1/n) equals to 1, but he used the information that h>0 in order to use the sandwich theorem. is the proof invalid in this case?
 
Invalid is a strong term... but I would like to know how ##\ h\ge-1 \ ## can come back a few lines later as ##\ \ 0<h \ ##...
 

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