Question about Grav. Potential Energy and Escape Velocity

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The discussion revolves around determining a formula for the maximum height a rocket can reach when launched vertically from the Earth's surface with an initial speed less than escape velocity. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, while ignoring air resistance and the Earth's rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the equation involving gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning if it is appropriate to set up the energy conservation equation in that manner.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem could be approached by considering the deceleration due to gravity until the rocket comes to a stop, and calculating the distance achieved during that time.
  • A different participant emphasizes using an energy argument, stating that at maximum height, the rocket has zero kinetic energy and some potential energy, and suggests equating the initial kinetic energy with the potential energy at maximum height.
  • A later reply confirms the energy conservation approach, advising to set it up as KE1 + PE1 = KE2 + PE2, noting that at maximum height, the kinetic energy is zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of energy conservation principles to approach the problem, but there are differing views on the specific methods and equations to apply. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the formula.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of potential energy and the reference point for zero potential energy are not explicitly stated. The discussion also does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to arrive at a final formula.

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I am finding this question to be a bit challenging---

Determine a formula for the maximum height h that a rocket will reach if launched vertically from the Earth's surface with speed Vo. (< Vesc)

(Ignore air resistance and the Earth's rotation)

I know I should plug in numbers only until the end, but by using Gravitational potential energy, is it appropriate to begin with (1/2)m*v1^2 - [G(m)(Mearth)]/r = (1/2)m*v^2 - [G(m)(Mearth)]/r ?

The chapter is quite short --- Thanks for your help!
 
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I am not a physicist or even a scientist, but wouldn't it be merely a matter of 1G deceleration till no momentum is left, and then calculate the distance achieved in that time?

W.A. McCormick
 
You want to use an energy argument.

The object initially has zero potential energy (if you define the PE at the radius of the Earth as zero) and some amount of kinetic energy. When it's at the maximum height, it has zero kinetic energy and some amount of potential energy. Equate and solve.

cookiemonster
 
Divergent13 said:
I know I should plug in numbers only until the end, but by using Gravitational potential energy, is it appropriate to begin with (1/2)m*v1^2 - [G(m)(Mearth)]/r = (1/2)m*v^2 - [G(m)(Mearth)]/r ?
Yes, that's essentially it. But set it up carefully as a statement of energy conservation. KE1 + PE1 = KE2 + PE2. Of course, maximum height means that KE2 = 0.

\frac{1}{2}mv_0^2 - \frac{GmM_e}{r_1} = - \frac{GmM_e}{r_2}<br />

The height will be r_2 - r_1; r_1 = radius of Earth.
 

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