Question about magnetic flux density B

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The discussion revolves around the nature of magnetic flux density B, its representation as a vector quantity, and its relationship to magnetic force and current. Participants explore the implications of B's direction and its significance in the context of magnetic fields and forces.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that magnetic flux density B is a vector quantity that represents a force, specifically referring to the Lorentz force.
  • Others argue that not all vector quantities represent forces, stating that the B field itself is not a force.
  • There is a question about what the direction of B indicates, with some suggesting it is perpendicular to both the magnetic force and the current.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the significance of the direction of B, questioning why a test magnet aligns with the B field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of magnetic flux density B and its implications. Multiple competing views remain regarding whether B represents a force and what its direction signifies.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the meaning of the direction of B and its role in the behavior of test magnets, as well as the implications of B being a vector quantity.

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Magnetic flux density B is a vector quantity and thus represents a force. However most texts state that the magnetic force is perpendicular to the direction of B, which is tangential to the magnetic field line at any give point. I assume that this magnetic force refers to the Lorentz force. So my question is:

1) What exactly does the direction of force B represent?

2) Would it be correct to state that it is the force B that acts on a test magnet causing it to orient along a magnetic force line?
 
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arul_k said:
Magnetic flux density B is a vector quantity and thus represents a force.
This is not correct. Not everything that is a vector represents a force. The B field in particular is not a force.
 
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Dale said:
This is not correct. Not everything that is a vector represents a force. The B field in particular is not a force.

Yes, I guess that was implied in the first part of the question. So what does the direction of B indicate?
 
arul_k said:
Yes, I guess that was implied in the first part of the question. So what does the direction of B indicate?
It is the direction perpendicular to both the magnetic force and the current.
 
Dale said:
It is the direction perpendicular to both the magnetic force and the current.

I've already mentioned that in my question! I wish to know what this "direction" of B represents?
 
That is all it represents. There is only one such line which is perpendicular to both the force and the current, and the B field direction identifies it. That is all, there is no more or less meaning.
 
Dale said:
That is all it represents. There is only one such line which is perpendicular to both the force and the current, and the B field direction identifies it. That is all, there is no more or less meaning.


Interesting. So, why come up with the concept of direction of the B field at all?

There must be some reason why a test magnet aligns itself in the direction of the B field...
 

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