Question about making a coaxial magnetic field in a pipe

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a coaxial magnetic field within a stainless steel pipe, specifically targeting a magnetic field strength of 1 to 2 Tesla along the z-axis. Participants explore various design concepts, coil configurations, and the implications of using ferrous versus non-ferrous materials in the construction of the magnetic field apparatus.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design involving iron cylinders with wire coils attached, questioning how the magnetic field would behave in different regions around the setup.
  • Another participant suggests that winding a coil around a ferrous pipe may result in most of the magnetic field being contained within the iron, leading to a weak field in the hollow space.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the need for careful consideration of coil design beyond simply attaching coils to the structure.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the power requirements for generating a strong magnetic field, with one participant questioning the necessity of such a strong field for the intended application.
  • The original poster clarifies that the goal is to collimate an ion beam, indicating that the pipes can be non-magnetic and that a lower field strength of 50 to 100 mT may be more realistic than initially stated.
  • There is a suggestion that the design could resemble a coil gun, indicating a potential application or analogy that may influence the design considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of the proposed design and the appropriateness of using ferrous materials. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired magnetic field strength or the implications of the design choices made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential limitations of the proposed design, including the dependence on the choice of materials and the assumptions about the magnetic field distribution. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions regarding the specific requirements for the ion beam collimation.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in experimental physics, engineering applications related to magnetic fields, or those working on ion beam technologies.

ItsGameTime
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Hi, for a particular project, I would like to create a 1~2 Tesla magnetic field in a stainless steel pipe along the z axis. I was wondering if my concept would work, or if anyone had better ideas.

Here's my concept.

Fig1. So I got a few pipes about 1 inch in diameter. I would like to have a 1T magnetic field through it along the vertical direction (z axis)

Fig2. My idea was to get a 2 cylinder blocks of iron, drill some holes in it to allow the pipes to fit in as shown in the diagram.

Fig3. Then attach some wire coils to the iron cylinders like as shown in the diagram.

My question is, if I actually create a device like this, how would the magnetic field be...

...directly above the cylinder (region A)
...in the pipe space area inside the cylinder (region B)
...in the pipe area between the two cylinders (region C)
...in the pipe space area inside the bottom cylinder (region D)
...directly below the bottom cylinder (region E)

Thanks in advance all!

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If you wind a coil around an iron pipe I think most of the field will stay in the iron with the field in the hole being small.
 
I think you need more thought on the coil design than just "attach some coils".
 
ItsGameTime said:
Hi, for a particular project, I would like to create a 1~2 Tesla magnetic field in a stainless steel pipe along the z axis.
CWatters said:
If you wind a coil around an iron pipe I think most of the field will stay in the iron with the field in the hole being small.
I agree with @CWatters -- winding a coil around a ferrous metal pipe is not the right approach.

@ItsGameTime -- What is your project? What are you trying to do? If the pipe has to be metal, can it be a non-ferrous metal (like Al)?
 
ItsGameTime said:
create a 1~2 Tesla magnetic field
BTW, that's a pretty strong magnetic field that will take quite a bit of power to produce. Why do you need such a strong field filling a long volume?
 
berkeman said:
BTW, that's a pretty strong magnetic field that will take quite a bit of power to produce. Why do you need such a strong field filling a long volume?

sounds like a coil gun :rolleyes: :smile:
 
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Thanks for all the replies so far. I guess I should explain a bit more.

I am trying to collimate an ion beam. I need gas ions to go straight through one end of the pipe and out the other. The pipes can be non magnetic. The pipes don't need to be that long, I think actually several centimeters should be fine. The diameter of the pipes hasn't been confirmed, but shouldn't exceed 3 or 4 cm.

I redrew the picture again. The upper half is the side view, the bottom half is the top view. I hope ions can go through the holes and that the magnetic field will help it "straighten out."

The giant helmholtz coil can extent out any size.

I said 1T for planning purposes. Realistically I am hoping this can be accomplished with around 50 to 100 mT.

Or is my physics completely out of whack here?

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