Question about parameterizing curve of intersection.

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The discussion revolves around parameterizing the curve of intersection between a surface defined by the function f(x,y) = 4 / (1 + x^2 + y^2) and a curve in the xy-plane given by r(t) = (t, 3/2 - t^2). Participants are exploring how to express the curve on the surface S that corresponds to the shadow of C2 in the xy-plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the relationship between the curve in the xy-plane and its corresponding curve on the surface, questioning how to derive the parametric equations for C. Others express uncertainty about the relevance of concepts like arc-length and curvature to the problem. There is also a discussion about the definition of a "shadow" in this context.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering hints and exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the variables, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the abstraction of the problem and the definitions involved, particularly regarding the function and its graph. There is a noted lack of resources available to clarify these concepts further.

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I couldn't find any resources in my book or online dedicated to this subject. I honestly don't even know where to begin for this problem.

Homework Statement



Let [itex]f(x,y) = 4 / (1+ x^2 + y^2)[/itex] and let S be the surface given by the graph of f(x,y)

b) Let C2 denote the curve in the xy-plane given by [itex]r(t)= t, 3/2 − t^2[/itex] and let C denote the curve on the surface S which has C2 as its shadow in the xy-plane. Find the parametric equations r = r(t) for C

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how about the "graph" over the curve,

[tex](r(t),f(r(t))=(x(t),y(t),z(x(t),y(t)))[/tex]

Then it is a curve, on the surface, and it's shadow is r(t), correct?
 
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Hrmm.. I'm not too sure honestly. I think this all has to do with arc-length/curvature. If that is correct then I think I will go study more about that and see if I can't figure it out
 
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I would not discourage you from exploring the concepts, and so develop your understanding of the subject as a whole. However, I think you'll find, while my hint is somewhat abstract, it is more or less correct, and that curvature and arc-length do not apply here. But again, please do investigate and compare the concepts!

Also, my use of the word graph is not a bad definition for you to understand, Stewart uses it in his textbook on calculus; here is the definition of graph (there are other definitions) on wikipeida:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_of_a_function

In other words, what is the graph associated with the function (x,y) --> z=f(x,y)
 
I don't deal well with this sort of abstraction.

In my mind what you are saying is we can come up with a new function which is simply our old function r(t) plus a new variable which is the sum of the variables of our original function.

Correct me if I am wrong.

But it would appear to me that we need our original function to come up with the parameters, since S is the measure of the surface of [itex]f(x,y)=4/(1+x2+y2)[/itex].

Oh and one last thing. A "shadow" is simply a projection correct?
 
There is no abstraction here! You are given x and y in terms of t and told how to calculate z in terms of x and y. So what is z in terms of t? It is just basic algebra.
 

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