Question about Powder X-ray diffraction experiment

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The discussion revolves around the use of powder in X-ray diffraction experiments, specifically addressing the rationale behind using powdered samples instead of single crystals. Participants explore the implications of random orientations of crystalline structures on the diffraction patterns observed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of using powder, noting that random orientations of d spacings in crystalline structures might affect the angle of reflection.
  • Others explain that Bragg peaks occur at specific angles due to constructive interference, and that only a small percentage of crystals in the powder will satisfy the Bragg condition at any given time.
  • One participant suggests that the Bragg peak does not require precise angles of incidence, as diffraction allows for a range of angles, influenced by factors such as thermal motion of atoms.
  • Another participant proposes that smaller crystal particles in the powder could increase the range of angles that meet the Bragg condition, thus enhancing the diffraction pattern.
  • Some participants note that powder diffraction can average over disorder in the crystal lattice, making it easier to analyze samples that are difficult to crystallize.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of using powder versus single crystals, with no consensus reached on the necessity or advantages of powder in the diffraction process.

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Some claims depend on specific assumptions about crystal size and orientation, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the relationship between particle size and the range of angles for diffraction.

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I don’t understand why do we use power in this experiment. If we use powder, the d spacings of each crystalline will be oriented randomly, why won’t the angle of reflection changes? I don’t understand the idea of using powder in the experiment.

Thank you so much
 

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I believe the answer is because the Bragg peak occurs at at specific angle/direction between incident beam and scattering direction. Bragg scattering is a combination of specular reflection off of a single crystal plane (basically a zeroth order diffraction maximum) as well as constructive interference between adjacent planes. By having random orientation of the scatterers, the Bragg peaks will only occur for a very small percentage of the small crystals of the powder. (I believe I have this part correct). Most of the crystals in the powder do not have the proper incident angle to make a Bragg peak. ## \\ ## When you get a Bragg peak from a given crystal, the scattering will be in a ring, (i.e. for each single small crystal, it will occur somewhere in the ring), because the scattering is no longer in a single plane for all of the crystals that satisfy the Bragg condition.
 
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Charles Link said:
I believe the answer is because the Bragg peak occurs at at specific angle/direction between incident beam and scattering direction. Bragg scattering is a combination of specular reflection off of a single crystal plane (basically a zeroth order diffraction maximum) as well as constructive interference between adjacent planes. By having random orientation of the scatterers, the Bragg peaks will only occur for a very small percentage of the small crystals of the powder. (I believe I have this part correct). Most of the crystals in the powder do not have the proper incident angle to make a Bragg peak. ## \\ ## When you get a Bragg peak from a given crystal, the scattering will be in a ring, because the scattering is no longer in a single plane for all of the crystals that satisfy the Bragg condition.
cool!
 
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One additional item=and I think I have this correct=the Bragg peak does not require the incident beam to precisely have the proper angle of incidence to get a Bragg peak. Because the process works off of diffraction, (and perhaps also because of the thermal motion of the individual atoms), the Bragg condition only needs to be met within a small ## \Delta \theta ## for a given small crystal to have the proper angle of incidence to get a specular reflection that also results in a Bragg peak. Also, since the powder consists of small crystal particles, the diffraction pattern from a reflection will cover a finite ## \Delta \theta ##, (still small though), rather than the infinitesimal ## \Delta \theta ## that would result from a larger crystal. ## \\ ## And this is my own deduction, but I believe I have this part correct, is smaller particles of the powder would make for a larger ## \Delta \theta ##. In addition, the solid angle of cone of acceptance ## \Delta \Omega ## for the incident beam to be such that the crystal particle meets the ## \Delta \theta ## requirement is proportional to ## (\Delta \theta )^2 ##. Thereby, it would be advantageous to have a somewhat fine powder, in order to increase ## \Delta \theta ## to have a much higher percentage of crystal particles meet the ## \Delta \theta ## requirement to participate in the ring of Bragg scattering that occurs. ## \\ ## And here is a "link" that agrees with my statement of post 2 that only a small percentage of the particles participate in making the Bragg ring: http://prism.mit.edu/xray/oldsite/Basics of X-Ray Powder Diffraction.pdf The powder diffraction method is discussed around page 25. (The pages are not numbered).
 
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I don’t understand why do we use power in this experiment. If we use powder, the d spacings of each crystalline will be oriented randomly, why won’t the angle of reflection changes? I don’t understand the idea of using powder in the experiment.

Thank you so much

Powder diffraction makes it easier to analyze hard-to-crystallize samples. All crystals will have some disordering, using a powder allows 'averaging' over the disorder, leaving only the lattice contributions. Powder diffraction also does not require large crystals, so sample preparation is often cheaper and faster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_diffraction
 

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