Question about tensions in pulley problems?

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In summary, the FBDs for each man show that the tension on him is to the right when viewed from the left, and to the left when viewed from the right.
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The scenario I'll use specifically is in the attached file. I can understand why the pulley can have two different tensions, one for each side of the pulley, but what I don't get is why the direction of each individual tension reverses direction? For example, in the free body diagram for mass 2, the direction of tension is in the positive y direction while when drawn from the pulley's perspective, it's in the negative y. And how could tension 1 be in the negative x direction when it's the only force that could be pushing mass 1 to the right?
Thanks for any clarification.

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It all depends on what system you choose to draw the FBD for. If your system is the mass on the table, the tension is to the right; if your system is the pulley, then the tension is to the left. Note that the two arrows labeled T1 in the two FBDs have equal magnitudes and opposite directions. They are action-reaction counterparts as required by Newton's third law.
 
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kuruman said:
Note that the two arrows labeled T1 in the two FBDs have equal magnitudes and opposite directions. They are action-reaction counterparts as required by Newton's third law.
Could you elaborate on the force pair at play here? And since this is a force pair, is it even accurate to consider both directions of tension 1 or 2 the same force? If so, is this just the result of naming conventions that make problems like these easier to solve?
 
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You can pull with a rope but you cannot push with a rope. That's why tensions in FBDs are always directed away from the system in question.
Look at the picture of two persons pulling on a rope shown below. If you ask the person on the left "Which way is the rope pulling on you?", he will say "to the right". If you ask the person on the right the same question, he will say "to the left."
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The tension in the FBDs for each man will look like this
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1. What is tension in a pulley system?

Tension in a pulley system is the force exerted by a rope, cable, or other object that is used to support or move an object. It is the force that is transmitted through the rope or cable, and it is always directed away from the object that is being supported or moved.

2. How do you calculate tension in a pulley system?

To calculate tension in a pulley system, you need to consider the forces acting on each pulley and the object being moved. The tension in the rope or cable is equal to the weight of the object being supported or moved, plus any additional forces acting on the system, such as friction or resistance.

3. What is the difference between static and dynamic tension in a pulley system?

Static tension in a pulley system refers to the tension when the system is at rest, while dynamic tension refers to the tension when the system is in motion. This is because when a pulley system is in motion, the forces acting on the system are constantly changing, leading to changes in tension.

4. How does the number of pulleys affect the tension in a pulley system?

The number of pulleys in a system can affect the tension in several ways. In a simple pulley system, the tension will be equal throughout the system, regardless of the number of pulleys. However, in a compound pulley system, the tension will be divided between the different branches of the system, leading to a reduction in tension.

5. How does friction affect the tension in a pulley system?

Friction can have a significant impact on the tension in a pulley system. If there is friction between the rope or cable and the pulley, it can reduce the tension and make it more difficult to move the object. However, friction can also be used to increase tension in a system, such as in a brake system, where friction is used to slow down or stop the movement of an object.

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