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Static Equilibrium Pulley Problem

  1. Jun 16, 2016 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    upload_2016-6-16_21-56-1.png

    The attachment above contains the diagram given in the problem

    M1 = 25kg
    M2 = 35kg
    Friction coefficient between M1 and stucture = 0.15
    Friction coefficient between M1 and M2 = 0.25
    Friction on pulleys and mass on pulleys is negligible.

    Find the minimum mass M3 for sliding to occur in the system (i.e. the maximum mass for which the system will remain in static equilibrium).

    2. Relevant equations
    ∑Fx = 0
    ΣFy = 0

    3. The attempt at a solution
    For the first mass:
    upload_2016-6-16_23-18-23.png
    The above attachment contains the diagram I used with the rotated coordinate system. My equations were:
    ∑Fy = 0
    -M2g sin(60°)-M1g sin(60°) + Fn = 0
    Fn = 509.7N

    ∑Fx = 0
    -M2g cos(60°)-M1g cos(60°) - 0.15Fn + T1 = 0
    T1 = 370.8N

    For the second mass:
    upload_2016-6-16_23-22-52.png
    The above attachment contains the diagram I used with the rotated coordinate system. My equations were:
    ∑Fy = 0
    -M2g sin(60°) + Fn2 = 0
    Fn2 = 297.3N

    ∑Fx = 0
    -M2g cos(60°) - 0.25Fn2 - T2 + T1 = 0
    T2 = 124.8N

    For the pulley attached to M3:
    upload_2016-6-16_23-36-46.png
    ∑Fy = 0
    2T2 - M3 = 0
    M3 = 249.6N

    Therefore mass of M3 = 249.6/9.81 = 25.44kg

    I managed to get a final answer of M3 = 25.44kg (or 249.6N) by working on each mass individually. Using a rotated coordinate system for M1 and M2. It would be nice if someone could confirm this answer for me but my main questions are:
    Was I correct in adding M2 to the force diagram for M1?
    In both diagrams, is the friction force in the correct direction?
    Does this method look correct overall or did I miss something?

    Thanks for the help.
     

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  3. Jun 16, 2016 #2
    Your force balance that you identify as M1 is really the force balance on the combination of M1 and M2, and should be identified as such. Also, M2 should be shown on this free body diagram.

    You analysis inherently assumes that the static friction between M1 with the incline, and M2 with M1 will occur at the same value of M3. This is not necessarily the case. One of these static frictions may release first, then causing the other to release when the forces readjust.
     
  4. Jun 17, 2016 #3
    Thank you very much Chester, I see where it went wrong
     
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