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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two identical spheres in space, focusing on the gravitational attraction between them and the time it will take for them to collide. The subject area includes gravitational physics and kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss the gravitational force and acceleration of the spheres, with some questioning the assumption of constant acceleration. There are attempts to apply kinematic equations to estimate the time until collision, while others suggest that calculus may be necessary due to the changing gravitational force.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing insights into the implications of treating acceleration as constant versus using calculus. Some guidance has been offered regarding the initial velocity assumption, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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Participants note that the problem allows for a reasonable answer to receive partial credit, which influences their willingness to simplify the calculations despite the complexities involved.

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Two indentical spheres with radius 15cm and mass 100kg are 6mm apart from echother in space. My problem is to find how long it will take before gravitational attraction will cause the two spheres to come together?

What I have found out so far is:
I have the gravitational force Fg= 7,12*10^-6 N,
and used Newtons 2. law to find the spheres acceleration a=7,12*10^-8 m/s^2

I know the acceleration is not constant, because the gravitational forces increase as the spheres move towards each other. But I think I will neglect this, and treat it as constant.

If I do so, could I use the equation:
X = x0 + v0x +1/2*ax*t^2
t = sqrt((2*x)/ax)= 84269sek ,
x = 0,003m, v0x = 0 m/s, x0= 0 m

I don't know if I can treat v0x as being 0, should it be v0x = a?

Is this way of, or am I on the right track?

all kind of help would be apprciated, thx
 
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Simon316 said:
Two indentical spheres with radius 15cm and mass 100kg are 6mm apart from echother in space. My problem is to find how long it will take before gravitational attraction will cause the two spheres to come together?

What I have found out so far is:
I have the gravitational force Fg= 7,12*10^-6 N,
and used Newtons 2. law to find the spheres acceleration a=7,12*10^-8 m/s^2

I know the acceleration is not constant, because the gravitational forces increase as the spheres move towards each other. But I think I will neglect this, and treat it as constant...

IMO wshful thinking: this needs to be done with calculus. You have already said so in so many words--ie acceleration is not constant.
 
denverdoc said:
IMO wshful thinking: this needs to be done with calculus. You have already said so in so many words--ie acceleration is not constant.


That's true, but the error for this problem will be fairly small. The distance between the centres of the spheres only changes from 306mm to 300mm.

I don't know if I can treat v0x as being 0, should it be v0x = a?

The question doesn't say what v0x was and you have to assume it was something. But assuming "v0x = a" says "a velocity equals an acceleration" which doesn't make any sense because they have different units.

I would assume it was 0.
 
Yea I know about calculus, but the question says you get 90%/points for a reasonable answer, and 100% for a correct. I will settle with 90%, and use
X = x0 + v0x +1/2*ax*t^2 (although I'm not sure this is the right way), and use V0x = 0.

Thanks
 

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