Question: How do I determine instantaneous acceleration using given data points?

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The discussion revolves around determining instantaneous acceleration using a set of time data points. Participants are exploring methods to apply given data to calculate acceleration, focusing on the concepts of tangent and secant lines in relation to velocity and time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating instantaneous acceleration, including drawing tangent lines to curves and fitting lines to data. There are questions about how to apply the data set effectively and concerns about missing crucial concepts.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on different approaches, such as using secant lines to approximate slopes and considering the use of neighboring data points for better accuracy. There is an ongoing exploration of methods without a clear consensus on a single approach.

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Some participants note the lack of a formula for the function generating the data points, which complicates the ability to draw tangent lines directly. There are also mentions of homework constraints that may influence the methods discussed.

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Homework Statement


A. Calculating instantaneous acceleration using formula:

1. According to ‘Table II’ data below:

i. t=5

ii. t=15

iii. t=25

iv. t=35

v. t=45

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I wish i understood this topic enough to provide a calculation however I've been spinning my wheels looking at various intro videos and text without being able to apply it successfully to my outcome needed! Thanks all![/B]
 

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I've been researching tangent line yet need more guidance about how to properly apply the data set to the equations as I just feel as if I'm missing something crucial I can't place my finger on. Thank you!
 
Plot a graph of velocity Vs time. Eg fit a straight line or curve to the data, whichever is appropriate.

Pick a point in time.

Draw a tangent to the curve at that point.

The slope of the tangent is the instantaneous acceleration at that point.
 
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If the fitted line or curve can be described by an equation you can differentiate it to get an equation for the acceleration at all points. Then substitute t with the value at the point of interest.
 
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There are a couple of things to try. If you fit a straight line to your data you get something like ##v(t) = 235.6-5.55t##. This would give you a constant acceleration of -5.55. Alternatively you can estimate the acceleration between any two points by ##\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}## and compare results. Taking your first two points you would get ##\frac{223.19-232.8}{5-4}=-9.61##. Try it with other pairs of points and see what you think.

[Edit, added later] Another idea, since the straight line fit isn't too bad, you might just take the straight line through the first and last points and try that. Whatever floats your boat or makes the most sense given the context in which you were given the problem.

Also if you use the ##\frac {\Delta v}{\Delta t}## method you might want to use the alternate point closest to the point where you want the value.
 
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james digel said:
I've been researching tangent line yet need more guidance about how to properly apply the data set to the equations as I just feel as if I'm missing something crucial I can't place my finger on.
You can't get the tangent line since you are not given the formula for the function that generates the (t, v(t)) pairs of data. What the problem is asking you to do is to approximate the slope of the tangent line by a secant line. A secant line is the segment between two points on a curve; i.e., between ##(t_i, v(t_i))## and ##(t_j, v(t_j))##. To approximate acceleration at t = 5, the best results will most likely come from using the data on either side. IOW, the data for t = 4 and t = 14.

And so on, for the other times in the problem.

The crucial pieces you're missing are the concepts of tangent line and secant line. Your textbook must have a discussion of these concepts, so read up on them.
 
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Thank you, Mark44, LCKurtz, and Cwatters! I appreciate all the help I got a good 12 hours of sleep now back at it!
 
Judging from the datapoints you are given, they expect you to do one of two things:
- the dead simple and much the more likely - just use the speed at the given time and the nearest other time;
- as a slight variant of the above, use both neighbouring times so as to obtain two slopes, then take a weighted average so as to bias in favour of the nearer time.
 

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