Question if a driver would be thrown from a vehicle?

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The discussion revolves around the scenario of a truck driver being potentially thrown from the vehicle during a collision with a car. Participants explore the dynamics of the collision, considering factors such as the weight of the vehicles, the speed of impact, the driver's position, and the strength of the windshield. The conversation includes theoretical aspects of momentum conservation and the physical effects of the collision.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the outcome for the truck driver depends on multiple factors, including the strength of the windshield, the driver's weight, and whether the driver hits the steering wheel during the collision.
  • One participant calculates the post-collision speed of the truck based on conservation of momentum, suggesting that the driver would experience an impact at approximately 4.8 mph if unbelted.
  • Another participant questions whether the scenario is equivalent to the truck hitting an immovable wall at 4.8 mph, indicating a potential parallel in the dynamics of the situation.
  • Some participants note that if the driver was standing or if the truck's brakes were off, the likelihood of being thrown from the vehicle increases, drawing from personal experiences in similar collision scenarios.
  • There is acknowledgment that the thickness and strength of the windshield could also influence the outcome of the collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the factors influencing whether the driver would be thrown from the truck, indicating that there is no consensus on the outcome. Multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the dynamics of the collision and its effects on the driver.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the collision (inelastic) and the conditions of the truck (stationary, brakes on/off) that may not be fully resolved. The implications of these factors on the driver's safety and the mechanics of the collision are not definitively established.

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If a driver of a truck weighing 46,000lbs going 0mph was hit head on by a car weighing 4000lbs going roughly 60mph would the unseat belted truck driver be thrown from his truck?
 
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It depends on the strength of the windshield, the driver's weight, and if he hit the steering wheel along the way. He would definitely be jolted. If we assume an inelastic collision, then the conservation of momentum tells us: p_truck + p_car = p_after. We know that p_truck = 0 because it is not moving to start so p_car = p_after. The value of p_car is just (4000 lbs/g)x(60 mph) and the value of p_after is (50,000 lbs/g)x v so v = 4.8 mph. Technically, the truck driver has no seat belt holding him to the car, so he remains stationary at 0 mph and the windshield/steering wheel hits him at 4.8 mph. This is probably not fast enough to break the glass. This is equivalent to briskly walking into a glass window.
 
chrisbaird said:
It depends on the strength of the windshield, the driver's weight, and if he hit the steering wheel along the way. He would definitely be jolted. If we assume an inelastic collision, then the conservation of momentum tells us: p_truck + p_car = p_after. We know that p_truck = 0 because it is not moving to start so p_car = p_after. The value of p_car is just (4000 lbs/g)x(60 mph) and the value of p_after is (50,000 lbs/g)x v so v = 4.8 mph. Technically, the truck driver has no seat belt holding him to the car, so he remains stationary at 0 mph and the windshield/steering wheel hits him at 4.8 mph. This is probably not fast enough to break the glass. This is equivalent to briskly walking into a glass window.

Would your equation suggest that this scenario is "roughly" equivalent to the 46,000 lb truck(with an unbealted driver) hitting an immovable wall at 4.8 mph?
If so, I see your logic.
 
It depends what the truck driver was doing at the time.

If he/she was standing up in the cab and the truck brakes were off, quite likely he/she would at least fall over, and possibly fall out of an open door.

I once "accidentally" took part in a similar experiment, the main difference being that several people were standing up in a boat traveling at about 5 mph which collided with the stone pier of a bridge. All the people who didn't see that the collision was going to happen went for an unscheduled swim (including me!)

Would your equation suggest that this scenario is "roughly" equivalent to the 46,000 lb truck(with an unbealted driver) hitting an immovable wall at 4.8 mph?
Only if the truck's brakes were off, which may not be the case if the truck was stationary.
 
pallidin said:
Would your equation suggest that this scenario is "roughly" equivalent to the 46,000 lb truck(with an unbealted driver) hitting an immovable wall at 4.8 mph?
If so, I see your logic.

depends how thick and or strong the walls is. lol thank you...
 
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chrisbaird said:
It depends on the strength of the windshield, the driver's weight, and if he hit the steering wheel along the way. He would definitely be jolted. If we assume an inelastic collision, then the conservation of momentum tells us: p_truck + p_car = p_after. We know that p_truck = 0 because it is not moving to start so p_car = p_after. The value of p_car is just (4000 lbs/g)x(60 mph) and the value of p_after is (50,000 lbs/g)x v so v = 4.8 mph. Technically, the truck driver has no seat belt holding him to the car, so he remains stationary at 0 mph and the windshield/steering wheel hits him at 4.8 mph. This is probably not fast enough to break the glass. This is equivalent to briskly walking into a glass window.

wow thank you, great answer... I'll add in that he was holding the brakes and this answers my question.
 

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