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The discussion revolves around the physics of an object (a baseball) thrown from a moving vehicle (a flatbed truck) and the implications of relative velocity. Participants explore how the speed of the thrown ball is perceived from different reference points, considering factors such as wind resistance and relativistic effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the truck is moving at 60 mph and the ball is thrown forward at 60 mph, the ball would be moving at 120 mph relative to the ground, assuming no wind resistance.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point but notes that if the ball is thrown backward, it would move at 60 mph relative to the truck and at 0 mph relative to the ground.
  • Some participants introduce the concept of relativity, stating that velocities do not simply add together at high speeds, providing an example where 60 mph combined with 60 mph results in a speed of approximately 119.999999999905 mph.
  • Further contributions emphasize that the discrepancy from the simple sum of velocities is extremely small and falls within the error margins predicted by quantum mechanics.
  • One participant highlights that if the ball is dropped instead of thrown, it would have a speed of 0 mph relative to the truck and 60 mph relative to the ground.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of relativity on velocity addition, with some focusing on classical mechanics and others introducing relativistic considerations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these different perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the influence of wind resistance and the limitations of measuring speeds at high velocities, particularly in relation to relativistic effects.

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Got into a discussion today at work with a few co-workers about the physics involved in the below scenario, figured the only way for us to come to a better understanding was to ask someone with more extensive knowledge, so here goes,...

A flat bed truck is moving along at 60mph, a person is standing on the bed at the rear of the truck and throws a baseball forward ( the direction the truck is moving ) at 60 mph.

how fast is the ball moving?

I do understand that forces such as wind resistance factor in. Also that if the speed of the ball is measured from the moving vehicle then its speed is only as fast as its thrown. My question is from a fixed point such as the ground, does the speed of the truck add to the speed of the thrown ball.

please explain keeping in mind my physics knowledge is not as extensive as most of yours !
 
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If we ignore wind resistance... The ball ends up moving at 60 mph relative to the truck and 120 mph relative to the ground. Throw the ball backwards instead of forwards, and it would be moving at 60 mph (in the other direction) relative to the truck and at zero(!) mph relative to the ground- someone standing at the side of the road would see the ball dropping straight down while the truck zoomed away from it.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLuI118nhzc
 
If you factor in relativity, the velocities don't exactly add, but there are some diminishing returns as you approach the speed of light.
In particular, 60mph combined with 60mph gives 119.999999999905... mph.
For typical human scenarios, the discrepancy from the simple sum is extremely small.
 
Khashishi said:
If you factor in relativity, the velocities don't exactly add, but there are some diminishing returns as you approach the speed of light.
In particular, 60mph combined with 60mph gives 119.999999999905... mph.
For typical human scenarios, the discrepancy from the simple sum is extremely small.

Not only extremely small, but within the error predicted by quantum mechanics.
 
Whovian said:
Not only extremely small, but within the error predicted by quantum mechanics.

Also much smaller then our ability to measure either time or distance.
 
I'm adding this because I think it's an important point to make, too:

If the person on the truck were to just drop the ball then the ball would have a speed of 0mph relative to the truck and 60mph relative to the ground.
 

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