Question in the momemtum-impulse theorem derivation

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the impulse-momentum theorem from Newton's second law, specifically addressing the relationship between force, momentum, and time. Participants clarify that when the net force is constant, the rate of change of momentum (dp/dt) is also constant, allowing for the substitution of total momentum change (p2 - p1) in the derivation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the integral form of the equations and the cancellation of time variables in the context of impulse.

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when the net force is constant then
Q1. rate of change of momentum (dp/dt) is zero or constant
Q2. assuming dp/dt is constant we replaced it with ----> p2-p1(total change in momentum ) ? how?
 
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Can you clarify question 2.

As for question 1. Observe ( assume #m# is constant)

##F = ma = m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{d(mv)}{dt} = \frac{dp}{dt}##

We can bring ##m## inside the derivative since it is a constant.

If ##F## is constant what does that say about ##\frac{dp}{dt}##?
 
just NOTHING said:
Q2. assuming dp/dt is constant we replaced it with ----> p2-p1(total change in momentum ) ? how?
You can't - the units don't match. Have you missed an integral sign somewhere?
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
Can you clarify question 2.

As for question 1. Observe ( assume #m# is constant)

##F = ma = m \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{d(mv)}{dt} = \frac{dp}{dt}##

We can bring ##m## inside the derivative since it is a constant.

If ##F## is constant what does that say about ##\frac{dp}{dt}##?
 

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just NOTHING said:
Q2. assuming dp/dt is constant we replaced it with ----> p2-p1(total change in momentum ) ? how?
That is not what your text says. Read the sentence to the end.
 
A.T. said:
That is not what your text says. Read the sentence to the end.
Sorry i got it wrong/
can you tell me what it is trying to say.
 
is it about the derivation of impuse momentum theorem from 2nd law??
 
It's not replacing ##\frac{d \vec{p}}{dt}## with ##\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##. It's replacing the numerator of ##\frac{d \vec{p}}{dt}## with ##\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##.

##\vec{J} = \vec{F}\left(t_2 - t_1 \right) \Delta t##

But ##\vec{F}## is constant so, which means the momentum changes at a constant rate (not necessarily that the momentum is always the same)

##\vec{J} = \vec{F} \Delta t = \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} \Delta t##

Replace ##d\vec{p}= \vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##

##\vec{J} = \frac{\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1}{dt} \Delta t##

##\Delta t## and ##dt## cancel out leaving you with?

##\vec{J} = ## ??
 
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It's just Newton's 2nd Law integrated
$$\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d}t \dot{\vec{p}}=\vec{p}(t_2)-\vec{p}(t_1) = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t\vec{F}[\vec{x}(t),t],$$
where the trajectory ##\vec{x}(t)## is the solution of Newton's equation of motion
$$\dot{\vec{p}}=\vec{F}(\vec{x},t).$$
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
It's not replacing ##\frac{d \vec{p}}{dt}## with ##\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##. It's replacing the numerator of ##\frac{d \vec{p}}{dt}## with ##\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##.

##\vec{J} = \vec{F}\left(t_2 - t_1 \right) \Delta t##

But ##\vec{F}## is constant so, which means the momentum changes at a constant rate (not necessarily that the momentum is always the same)

##\vec{J} = \vec{F} \Delta t = \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} \Delta t##

Replace ##d\vec{p}= \vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1##

##\vec{J} = \frac{\vec{p}_2 - \vec{p}_1}{dt} \Delta t##

##\Delta t## and ##dt## cancel out leaving you with?

##\vec{J} = ## ??
thanks a lot i feel lighter
 

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