Question on force applied to an object hanging from a cord

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a ball of mass m hanging from a massless string and requires determining the force needed to pull the ball to an angle theta from the vertical. The context includes analyzing forces acting on the ball, particularly the components of gravitational force and tension in the string.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the ball by breaking down the components of gravity at an angle. They question the reasoning behind the suggested answer of mg*tan(theta) compared to their own reasoning involving mg*sin(theta) and mg*cos(theta). Other participants suggest considering the direction of the applied force and recommend using a free body diagram for clarity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in exploring the problem, with some providing guidance on drawing free body diagrams and clarifying assumptions about the direction of the applied force. There is no explicit consensus on the solution yet, as various interpretations and approaches are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

The problem does not specify restrictions on the direction of the applied force, leading to different interpretations among participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and seeks clarification on the reasoning behind the suggested answer.

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Homework Statement


A ball of mass m hangs vertically from a massless string experiencing a tension T. What force is required to pull the ball out to an angle theta from the vertical?

  1. 1) mgsin(theta)
  2. 2) mgcos(theta)
  3. 3) mgtan(theta)
  4. 4) 2mg tan (theta)
  5. 5) mg/cos (theta)

Homework Equations


no equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I thought that if we break down the components of gravity acting on an object at an angle theta from the lowest point of it hanging, then we would have a component mg * sin(theta) acting in a direction perpendicular towards the cord [restoring force] and a component mg * cos(theta) acting in a direction antiparallel to the cords tension.

Thus, I would need to apply an equivalent force to mg*sin(theta) in the opposite to counter react the force of gravity's component.

The solutions say that the answer is mg*tan
Well, I thought that if we break down the components of gravity acting on an object at an angle theta from the lowest point of it hanging, then we would have a component mg * sin(theta) acting in a direction perpendicular towards the cord [restoring force] and a component mg * cos(theta) acting in a direction antiparallel to the cords tension.

Thus, I would need to apply [number 3]. Could anyone please explain why their answer is right and why my approach is possibly wrong?
 
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Hi, Robonerd!

I like your answer! The problem does not make any restriction on the direction of your applied force.

I think maybe they are assuming the applied force is horizontal. If you make that assumption, what answer would you get?
 
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I have no idea. Could you please guide me?
 
RoboNerd said:
I have no idea.
Yes you do!
Could you please guide me?
A free body diagram will guide you.
 
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here is my free body diagram. kinda messy, i know.
 
Where's your applied force (that you are going to assume is horizontal)?
 
Going rightwards starting from the point where the T and Fg forces intersect?
 
Yes. I suggest a fresh drawing. Do not break any of the forces into components yet. Make sure you label the angle θ correctly.
 
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how about this?
 
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Good. (Your angle θ is drawn correctly in both figures. For some reason I initially thought it was in the wrong place.)

Now, spend a little time trying to solve for Fapp using your drawing.
 

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