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The discussion centers around the feasibility of harnessing energy from a wireless remote power source, exploring theoretical and practical aspects of wireless power transmission. Participants examine various methods, including radio waves, induction, and laser technology, while considering efficiency and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while wireless power transmission is possible, it is often inefficient, particularly in omnidirectional applications.
  • One participant notes that radio stations and electric toothbrushes utilize principles of wireless power, but highlight the significant energy losses involved.
  • Another participant discusses the potential of beaming energy with lower losses, but emphasizes the need for line of sight and the risks associated with high energy density.
  • Induction is mentioned as a method for near-field power transfer, with a reference to a homemade circuit for practical application.
  • Laser technology is proposed as a method for wireless power, but concerns about efficiency and the need for direct line of sight are raised.
  • A participant references MIT research demonstrating wireless power transfer with a specific setup achieving 45% efficiency, noting the ability to power devices even with obstacles in the way.
  • Concerns about the practicality of wireless power transmission are discussed, with one participant arguing that traditional wired methods are more efficient and cost-effective.
  • There is mention of a recent article suggesting the potential for harnessing ambient energy from radio waves to charge devices, indicating ongoing interest in the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and practicality of wireless power transmission. While some agree that it is technically possible, there is no consensus on its efficiency or practical applications, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about efficiency, the practicality of various methods, and the specific conditions under which wireless power transmission might be viable.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring wireless energy transfer technologies, researchers in electrical engineering, and individuals curious about alternative energy solutions.

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This might sound like a question on pseudo-science but has there been any study done on the possibility of harnessing energy from a wireless remote power source? In other words, a machine drawing power from a generator without means of wires, pipes…ect. Of course, solar power comes to mind but this is not quite what I mean. What I mean is, a generator emits energy and a machine harnesses and is powered by means of simply being within a certain radius of the generator. Is this something that is physically possible in theory or is this simply science fiction?
 
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It is possible and it is done, but not exactly in the way that you envision. Radio stations do this, and they are the closest to what you describe. Electric toothbrushes do it too, but at a range of a few milimeters. But transmitting power omnidirectionally is extremely inefficient, so the idea doesn't hold a lot of promise for the application you describe.
 
How do you think a radio works? It draws a very small amount of energy from the field radiated by a radio station. The difficulty is that the radio station radiates Megawatts and your radio receives milliwatts. This same principle applies in general to all radiated power. It can be done but only with large losses.

You can beam energy will lower losses but there then the receiver and transmitter must be in line of sight and maintain a fixed relationship, ie the transmitter and receiver must be pointing at each other. Then, if the energy density is high, you must be careful not to interrupt the beam with living creatures.
 
Induction is an example of wireless power transfer. The primary/secondary windings are example s of this. This can be used for near field power transfer. See http://www.discovercircuits.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6040&an=0&page=0#Post6040 homemade circuit.

Using lasers is also an interesting thought. But one has to question the efficiency when using this method. This requires a direct line of sight with the source of the laser and the solar cell receiver. May be somewhat useful for low power devices.

But the key here is efficiency
 
Witricity.

The MIT researchers successfully demonstrated the ability to power a 60 watt light bulb wirelessly, using two 5-turn copper coils of 60 cm (24 in) diameter, that were 2 m (7 ft) away, at roughly 45% efficiency.[3] The coils were designed to resonate together at 9.9 MHz and were oriented along the same axis. One was connected inductively to a power source, and the other one to a bulb. The setup powered the bulb on, even when the direct line of sight was blocked using a wooden panel.
 
The wireless transmission of energy is certainly not new, but has significant concerns.
Omnidirectional transmission is the most "accessible" but also the most wasteful.
Unidirectional transmission is the opposite.
 
I think to answer the meat of this question, it should be stated that we do know how to transmit power wirelessly purely for the sake of transfering power (as opposed to the fact that radios incidentally transmit power but it's purpose is to transmit music/news). We could, for example, transmit power from solar arrays in Earth's orbit down to receivers on the ground... except why should we? Transmitting electricity wirelessly is inefficient and there are plenty of practical inconveniences. The real problem is that it's a solution where there is rarely a problem! We transmit electricity over electrical lines from say, a solar panel field at what... 95% efficiency at a very very low price! FAR lower then putting a satellite in orbit with panels just to get that bit more power/area.

Short answer, yes, easily doable. The problem is there's no reason to. Infact, we had an article in a thread up a few weeks ago where Nokia thinks there's enough energy flying around us from radio stations and what not that they can harness it to charge cell phones wirelessly!
 

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