Question on Temperature/Kinetic Theory in AP Physics B

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The problem involves a cubic box filled with air, initially at atmospheric pressure and a specific temperature, which is then heated to a higher temperature. The inquiry focuses on determining the net force acting on each side of the box, considering both internal and external pressures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law and the relationship between pressure and temperature. There are attempts to calculate the pressure inside the box after heating, and questions arise regarding the treatment of external atmospheric pressure in the net force calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting the need to consider both internal and external pressures separately. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the pressure equations to find the net force.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of atmospheric pressure acting on the box, as well as the need to account for the pressure difference when calculating net force. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct approach to incorporate external pressure into their calculations.

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Homework Statement



A Cubic Box of volume 3.9*10^-2 meters cubed is filled with air at atmospheric pressure at 20 degrees C. The box is closed and heated to 180 degrees C. What is the net force on each side of the box?

atmospheric pressure = 1 atm or 1.0*10^5 N/msquared


Homework Equations



Temperature K = C +273
P/T = P/T
P= F/A


The Attempt at a Solution



Okay i have no idea why i am getting this wrong. What i did was use P/T = P/T using the right temperatures and atm pressure in N/msquared for the pressure on the left side of the equation. on the right i am solving for P and used the 180+273 as the new temperature.

i got 154607.5 N/msquared

I then plugged that into P = F/A and cubed rooted the Volume given and squared that value to get area of one side of the box. and for the final answer got 17780 N.

the correct answer is 6400N

:confused:
 
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You forgot the air outside of the box.
 
am i supposed to add 1 atm to the answer i got? before plugging it into P=F/A
 
No, you use the formula P=F/A twice; once to calculate for the force from the inside (which you have done), then again to calculate the force from the outside (due to the air outside). Taking the difference of these will give the net force.
 
xopenx said:
am i supposed to add 1 atm to the answer i got? before plugging it into P=F/A

The air outside the box pushes on the sides in the opposite direction from the air inside. You can use cristo's suggestion, or equivalently find the pressure difference between the inside and outside before multiplying by the area. That would not come from adding the two pressures.
 

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