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The discussion revolves around the concept of an infinite basis in function spaces, particularly focusing on the role of polynomials as a basis for various function spaces. Participants explore the definitions and implications of different types of bases, including Hamel and Schauder bases, and the conditions under which polynomials can approximate functions.

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  • Some participants question whether the concept of an infinite basis is well defined, particularly in relation to polynomials forming a basis for function spaces.
  • One participant notes that for the set of polynomials to represent a basis, the notion of convergence and the topology of the function space must be considered, specifically mentioning C[0,1] and uniform convergence.
  • Another participant introduces the distinction between Hamel and Schauder bases, explaining that a Hamel basis allows for finite linear combinations, while a Schauder basis permits infinite linear combinations.
  • It is mentioned that the set of polynomials is dense in C[0,1], meaning any continuous function can be approximated by polynomials to any desired degree of accuracy.
  • Some participants argue that while polynomials can form a Hamel basis for polynomials, they do not serve as a Hamel basis for all analytic functions, as analytic functions must equal their Taylor series.
  • One participant asserts that a Hamel basis should not involve convergence, while another clarifies that the set of polynomials is linearly independent and spans the space in the Schauder sense.
  • A participant acknowledges a mix-up between the definitions of Hamel and Schauder bases and admits to a mistake made during late-night posting.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of bases in function spaces, particularly regarding the role of convergence and the distinction between Hamel and Schauder bases. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of bases, the dependence on the topology of the function space, and the implications of convergence, which are not fully resolved.

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I only possesses a rudimentary understanding of Linear Algebra so I'm not going to be rigorous in my explanation, but is the concept of an infinite basis well defined? More specifically, I was thinking about how the polynomials could form a basis for function space, given that every function has a Taylor expansion which is a linear combination of the polynomials.
 
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If you want to say the set of polynomials are to represent a basis, you need to talk about the notion of convergence or what topology you are using on the function space. For example, consider C[0,1], the continuous real functions on [0,1] as your function space where convergence ##f_n\rightarrow f## means the sequence ##f_n## converges uniformly to ##f##. Now, it is true that the set of polynomials form a basis in the sense that given any ##f## and ##\epsilon > 0##, you can find a polynomial p with ##\|f-p\|<\epsilon##. We say that the set of polynomials is dense in C[0,1] and they form a topological basis. But that is not the same thing as saying every function in C[0,1], even if it has derivatives of all orders, can be well approximated by a Taylor polynomial. There are infinitely smooth functions whose Taylor expansion just gives 0. Taylor polynomials are too specialized for that particular job.
 
In infinite dimensional spaces there may be two different types of "bases".

A "Hamel basis" is an infinite set such that any vector in the vector space can be written as a linear combination of a finite number of vectors in the basis. The functions 1, x, [itex]x^2[/itex], ...,[itex]x^n[/itex], ... form a Hamel basis for the space of all polynomials but not for the set of (real) analytic functions (a real valued function on the real numbers is "analytic" if and only if it is equal to its Taylor series). It can be shown (assuming axiom of choice) that every vector space has a Hamel basis.

If you have a topology on your vector space, and so a notion of "convergence", a more general concept of "basis" is, as LKurtz said, a set of vectors such that any vector can be written as a possibly infinite linear combination. The functions 1, x, [itex]x^2[/itex], ...,[itex]x^n[/itex], ... form a basis, in this sense, for the space of all (real) analytic functions.
 
I don't know what you mean by well-defined, but a (Hamel) basis is a linearly-independent set that spans the space , or as said in both replies, a L.I set such
that for all f in the space, there is a linear combination of the base elements that converges to f. You can check that for any n, the set {1,x,x2,...,xn} is linearly-independent in C[0,1], and spans in the Schauder sense, and, in this sense, it is infinite.
 
Bacle2 said:
but a (Hamel) basis is a linearly-independent set that spans the space , or as said in both replies, a L.I set such
that for all f in the space, there is a linear combination of the base elements that converges to f.
No - there should be no mention of convergence here.

{1, x, x^2, ...} isn't a Hamel basis for C[0,1], but as you somewhat indicate, it's a Schauder basis.
 
Yes, I did sort-of mix up both cases; my bad--I should stop posting at 3 a.m.

Still, for any n, the mentioned set is linearly-independent.
 

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