Question regarding wave motion

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of wave motion, specifically addressing the confusion surrounding the behavior of leaves in a moving wave. It clarifies that while leaves A, B, C, and D experience maximum displacement at different times, they are part of a moving wave rather than a standing wave. The wave equation for a right-moving wave is given as y(x,t) = A sin(ωt - kx), illustrating how the crest moves while the leaves oscillate vertically. The key takeaway is that the leaves move up and down while the wave itself propagates horizontally.

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Note that :

  • Leaf. A has attained maximum displacement and is about to start going down .
  • Leaves B, C and D are still going up. Each of them will finally attain its maximum displacement and then move downwards to complete the cycle.
  • Leaf E is at the lowest displacement and it is about to start going upwards.
  • Leaves F, G, and H are still going downward and so on.
I have a problem with point 2 and 4. How can leaves B,C and D go up when the crest is at point A? I thought that in a wave, there are only certain points in waves that are crests and troughs, and these are separated by some distance called wavelengths? If so, how could there be so many crests, at leaves B,C, and D, and so many troughs at F, G and H? Could someone point out my fault in my understanding?
 
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You are likely looking at this as a standing wave, but it's a moving wave like and ocean wave. The crests (and troughs) are moving to the right so for example, as the crest marked A moves to the right, the thing bobbling at point B rises.
 
phinds said:
You are likely looking at this as a standing wave, but it's a moving wave like and ocean wave. The crests (and troughs) are moving to the right so for example, as the crest marked A moves to the right, the thing bobbling at point B rises.
So, to help me picture this, the whole wave motion is constantly moving to the right or in other words, the leaves are constantly traveling through the wave to the left?
 
For moving to the right wave equation is ## y(x,t) = A\sin(\omega{t}-kx) ## and the opposite is ## y(x,t) = A\sin(\omega{t}+kx) ##. Make some graphs to see this.
 
toforfiltum said:
So, to help me picture this, the whole wave motion is constantly moving to the right
yes
or in other words, the leaves are constantly traveling through the wave to the left?
no, the leaves are just moving up and down. Do you have trouble picturing how an ocean wave works?
 
phinds said:
yesno, the leaves are just moving up and down. Do you have trouble picturing how an ocean wave works?
Uhm,so the leaves are constantly moving up and down while traveling through the shape of the wave to the left?
 
toforfiltum said:
Uhm,so the leaves are constantly moving up and down while traveling through the shape of the wave to the left?

In this simplified picture the leaves only move up and down. However the pattern of the up and down motion gives rise to a 'wave' that travels to the right. You can look at one of the crests and simply pan your view to the right at the same speed as the crest to follow it without ever having to move your eyes up or down.
 
toforfiltum said:
Uhm,so the leaves are constantly moving up and down while traveling through the shape of the wave to the left?
Have you never seen something bobbling on an ocean wave? It doesn't change horizontal position at all, just bobbles up and down.
 
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