Question: Spin particles in scalar gravitational field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the action of spin particles in a scalar gravitational field, particularly focusing on how to formulate this action for particles with classical spin. The scope includes theoretical aspects of general relativity and the behavior of spinning particles within this framework.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the action for non-spinning particles in scalar gravity and seeks a corresponding formula for particles with classical spin.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the complexity of the request and suggests that it may be too advanced for the forum's typical discussions.
  • There are suggestions to search for information in scientific literature and mentions of the Papapetrou equation in general relativity, although its relevance is questioned.
  • A participant asks for clarification regarding the specific formula being sought and the meaning of "classical spin," indicating a need for more precise information to assist further.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of the question or the appropriate formula for spinning particles. Multiple views and uncertainties about the topic remain evident.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the original question regarding the desired formula and the definition of classical spin. The discussion also reflects a lack of consensus on the relevance of certain equations and concepts.

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Researchers or students interested in theoretical physics, particularly in general relativity and the dynamics of spinning particles in gravitational fields, may find this discussion relevant.

Wenzi
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The action of non-spinning particles in scalar gravity is

[tex]S=-\int{\sqrt{-g}(\frac{1}{8\pi}g^{\mu\nu}\Phi_{,\mu}\Phi_{,\nu}-\rho e^{\Phi})d^4x}[/tex]

where [tex]\rho[/tex] presents the comoving density.
Now, I want to know the formula when particles with classical spin.

Thank you!
 
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Anyone who can help me?
 
Wenzi said:
Anyone who can help me?

I guess that may be too advanced or unusual a request for the frequent visitors such as myself; sooner or later you may get a useful reply, but in the mean time I suggest you try searching in Google and in the scientific literature. (I remember that in GR, a spinning particle is described by the Papapetrou equation, but that's probably not relevant here).
 
Jonathan Scott said:
I guess that may be too advanced or unusual a request for the frequent visitors such as myself; sooner or later you may get a useful reply, but in the mean time I suggest you try searching in Google and in the scientific literature. (I remember that in GR, a spinning particle is described by the Papapetrou equation, but that's probably not relevant here).

haha, thank you!

I am waiting...
 
Jonathan Scott said:
I guess that may be too advanced or unusual a request for the frequent visitors such as myself; sooner or later you may get a useful reply, but in the mean time I suggest you try searching in Google and in the scientific literature. (I remember that in GR, a spinning particle is described by the Papapetrou equation, but that's probably not relevant here).

Or, the question is equal to Stress-energy tensor of the spinning particles.
 
I don't know much about spin in GR but your question seems a bit vague. What formula do you want to know? the Einstein's equation for this action? Further, is the S the matter part? I assume so since the Ricci scalar part is missing.

Also, by classical spin, what do you mean? like fermions or what?

Perhaps others may be able to help after these clarifications.
 

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