Questions about a Hydrogen Economy; Scientific American

[Ivan Seeking]

Oh, and the other problem is that the company that's proposing it is a scam.

edit: I'm not a big fan of Wired - they publish a lot of crap, but this is a little rediculous: Hmm... obtaining 1/750th of the needed funding (guestimated) is "a very big step"?

And this land - at $185 an acre? I'm guessing its in the middle of nowhere

Why do you call it a scam? I agree that it could be, but this could just be a matter of pioneers blazing trails. Do you have some specific information about this company or the people involved?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

It's a typo. Powerball.net is a hydrogen economy technology site.

• The concept behind Powerball Technologies is to tame energy, (so to speak) and to store one powerful element - sodium (or sodium hydride) - in order to later get Hydrogen on Demand.
  
  Powerball fuel pelletsTM store and produce hydrogen on demand. Each gallon of powerball fuel pellets produces hundreds of gallons of hydrogen upon contact with water on an as-needed basis. Powerball fuel pelletsTM offer a safe, compact, and inexpensive alternative to the delivery, storage and use of compressed or liquid hydrogen for a wide range of applications which require a clean source of hydrogen.

Here it is. Dead link.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Summary of links to date

This is a list of all good links to date - posted in this and the parent thread:
A Hydrogen economy: Be a part of the change! https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=4127

Posted approximately in the order discussed:
[Please post a note if any links are bad.]

Scientific American Frontiers: Future Cars [Watch the video online]
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1403/index.html

Questions about a Hydrogen Economy; Scientific American
http://www.sciamdigital.com/browse....B9BE5E6-2B35-221B-6F2461DEF9B52B9C&sc=I100322

Office of Nuclear Energy, Science and Technology
U. S. Department of Energy
Nuclear Hydrogen Initiative Nuclear
http://www.nuclear.gov/infosheets/hydrogenfactmarch2003.pdf

The National Hydrogen Association
http://www.hydrogenus.com/

http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/hydrogen/iea/

http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/index.html

http://education.lanl.gov/resources/h2/education.html

http://www.stuartenergy.com/

HYDROGEN AND THE MATERIALS OF A SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FUTURE
WORLD WIDE WEB SITE
Hosted by: Los Alamos National Laboratories
http://education.lanl.gov/resources/h2/education.html

International Energy Agency Hydrogen Program
http://www.ieahia.org/

Includes discussion of
BIOMASS TO H2
DIRECT PRODUCTION FROM WHOLE BIOMASS
Gasification
Thermal/Steam/Partial Oxidation
PRODUCTION OF STORABLE INTERMEDIATES FROM BIOMASS PARTIAL CONVERSION
Small scale reformer technologies
Photovoltaic cells plus an electrolyzer
Photoelectrochemical cells with one or more semiconductor electrodes
Photobiological systems
Photodegradation systems
Photoelectrolytic and Photobiological Production of Hydrogen

Case Studies of Integrated Hydrogen Energy Systems
http://www.ieahia.org/case_studies.html

Hydrogen by Catalytic Decomposition of Water [search "Hydrogen"]
http://www.netl.doe.gov/
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...,468,499.WKU.&OS=PN/6,468,499&RS=PN/6,468,499

Also at the site above: search Hydrogen
HYDROGEN FROM COAL
DENSE CERAMIC MEMBRANES FOR HYDROGEN SEPARATION

Hydrogen - The Department of Energy
http://www.energy.gov/engine/content.do?BT_CODE=ES_HYDROGEN
Time to Escape from the Grid: Wired Magazine
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,60089,00.html

http://physicsweb.org/article/world/15/7/10/1

First two myths about renewable energy need to be dispelled
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/14/6/2/2

Fuel cells: environmental friend or foe?
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/6/10/1

More on fuel cells
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/11/7/2/1

Hydrogen Safety Facts
http://www.hydrogenus.com/H2-Safety-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Hydrogen at Home; The H2 Horizon: Re Iceland, which has gone H2 already
http://www.loe.org/ETS/organizations.php3?action=printContentItem&orgid=33&typeID=18&itemID=204&User_Session=63e33af74b5bc33216035afa351f1a58

Fuel from water [credibility of author unknown]
http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks/hydrogen/index.html

Gas Hydrages
http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/oilgas/hydrates/
http://oceanusmag.whoi.edu/v42n2/whelan.html
http://woodshole.er.usgs.gov/project-pages/hydrates/who.html

The NHA's Hydrogen Commercialization Plan
http://www.hydrogenus.com/commercializationplan.asp

The NHA's Hydrogen Implementation Plan
http://www.hydrogenus.com/implementationplan.asp

Multi-step metal oxide cycles for solar-thermal water splitting"
http://www.colorado.edu/che/TeamWeimer/perkins.htm
http://www.pre.ethz.ch/cgi-bin/main.pl?research?project6

Solar Production Of Zinc: Concentrated solar energy is used as the source of process heat for the dissociation of zinc oxide
http://solar.web.psi.ch/daten/projekt/zno/roca/roca.html

Mechanical Engineering "Power & Energy," March 2004 -- "Packaging Sunlight," Feature Article
http://www.memagazine.org/pemar04/pckgsun/pckgsun.html

Analysis of Solar Thermochemical Water-Splitting Cycles for Hydrogen
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cach...solar+furnace"+efficiency+cost+problems&hl=en

Concentrating Photovoltaics: Collaborative Opportunities within DOE’s CSP and PV Programs
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy02osti/31143.pdf

Rapid Solar-thermal Dissociation of Natural Gas in an Aerosol Flow Reactor
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cach...solar+furnace"+efficiency+cost+problems&hl=en

1. Union of Concerned Scientists www.ucsusa.org.
2. American Methanol Institute www.methanol.org.
3. Fuel Cells 2000 www.fuelcells.org.
4. California Air Resources Board www.arb.ca.gov.
5. National Hydrogen Association www.hydrogenus.com.
6. Los Alamos National Laboratory (see below)
7. California Fuel Cell Partnership www.drivingthefuture.org.
8. The US Fuel Cell Council www.usfcc.com.
9. California Hydrogen Business Council www.ch2bc.org/

White House press release
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030206-2.html

Also, search "Hydrogen"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/

Fuel Cells
http://education.lanl.gov/resources/fuelcells/

Fues Cells coming of age
http://www.fuelcellstore.com/information/coming_of_age.html

Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars: ecoworld article
http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=284

NASA Spaces on Energy Solutuion: Wired article
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,63913,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

DEVELOPING IMPROVED MATERIALS TO SUPPORT THE HYDROGEN ECONOMY
http://www.hydrogenus.com/EMTEC-EFC-RFP01A.pdf

International Association For Hydrogen Energy
http://www.iahe.org/

Sustained Photobiological Hydrogen Gas Production upon Reversible Inactivation of Oxygen Evolution in the Green Alga Chlamydomonas reinhardtii
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/1/127

Hydrogen; Quick Facts
http://www.hydrogenus.com/hydrogen-basics.asp

Europositron technology: a private enterprise
http://www.europositron.com/en/background.html

Brayton Cycle engines
http://www.almturbine.com/

Hybrid Turbine Electric Vehicle
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT1996/6000/6920v.htm
http://search.grc.nasa.gov/query.ht...qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rq=0&rf=0&tx=0&go=Search

UK company way ahead of the market in creating green hydrogen
http://search.grc.nasa.gov/query.ht...qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rq=0&rf=0&tx=0&go=Search

Hydrogen Economy looks out of reach: Nature article
UK company way ahead of the market in creating green hydrogen[/URL]

Running On Thin Air
Iceland is making its dream of a hydrogen economy come true
http://www.time.com/time/europe/specials/ff/trip1/hydrogen.html

California Unveils State's First Hydrogen Refueling Station: News item
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200410/200410230010.html

Fusion reactor decision must wait: BBC report
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3997249.stm[/url]

Hybrids vs. Hydrogen: Which Future Is Brighter?
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Hybrid/story?id=266883&page=1[/url]

hydrogen from methanol
[url]http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Jun02/NPO19948.html[/url]

hydrogen from coal
[url]http://www.nuclear.com/Energy_policy/Coal_gas_news.html[/url]

hydrogen from nuclear power
http://www.businessreport.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&fArticleId=291054

hydrogen from sunlight
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/09/14/6900043_Solar_Hydrogen/index.html

hydrogent from wind
http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=502

fuel cells
[url]http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-03s.html[/url]

Technical issues of a hydrogen economy
http://books.nap.edu/books/0309091632/html/1.html#pagetop

[url]hydrogen from methanol
[url]http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/Jun02/NPO19948.html[/url]

hydrogen from coal
[url]http://www.nuclear.com/Energy_policy/Coal_gas_news.html[/url]

hydrogen from nuclear power
http://www.businessreport.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=561&fArticleId=291054

hydrogen from sunlight
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/09/14/6900043_Solar_Hydrogen/index.html

hydrogent from wind
http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=502

fuel cells
[url]http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-03s.html[/url]

Technical issues of a hydrogen economy
http://books.nap.edu/books/0309091632/html/1.html#pagetop

Scientists develop new hydrogen reactor: CNN news item
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/02/13/hydrogen.reactors.ap/

Ethanol and the Environment
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/factfic_envir.html
http://www.free-eco.org/articleDisplay.php?id=21
[url]http://www.ethanol-gec.org/corn_eth.htm#net[/url]
http://www.ncga.com/news/notd/2004/june/060904a.htm


A group of non-specific links from various poster:
[url]http://www.iogen.ca[/url]
[url]http://www.sheclabs.com[/url]
[url]http://www.ecologen.com/page_TSSOM2-75.html[/url]
[url]http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/news/releases/archive/04-076.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.azonano.com/details.asp?articleID=1022[/url]
[url]http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1291187/posts[/url]
[url]http://www.forrelease.com/D20040519...3352.28636.html[/url]
http://groundstate.ca/node/68

Food, Energy, and Society [book]
[URL][/URL]

Hydrogen economy for a sustainable development:state-of-the-art and technological perspectives
[URL][/URL]

The Hydrogen Economy: Physics Today article
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-12/p39.html
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-12/PDF/vol57no12p39-45.pdf

The Hydrogen Economy: Opportunities, Costs, Barriers, and R&D Needs (2004)
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309091632/html/

Hydrogen Economy Offers Major Opportunities But Faces Considerable Hurdles
[URL]http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309091632?OpenDocument[/URL]

Supercritical-Water-Cooled Reactor
[URL]http://energy.inel.gov/gen-iv/scwr.shtml[/URL]

Clean coal compendium and related articles:
http://www.netl.doe.gov/cctc
[URL]http://www.careenergy.com/news/articleview.asp?iArticle=7[/URL]
http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/mdaf.html

Automobile Emissions Reduction Efforts in the U.S. - Chronology
[url]http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/auto-emissions_chronol.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.html[/url]

Articles posted from Car and Driver
[url]http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2502&page_number=1[/url]
[url]http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=3418&page_number=1[/url]
[url]http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=3418&page_number=1[/url]
[url]http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=3296&page_number=1[/url]
[url]http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=4343&page_number=1[/url]

The Dirty Folly of "Clean Coal"
http://www.ems.org/energy_policy/clean_coal.html

Coal Combustion, Public Health and the Environment
http://www.ems.org/energy_policy/coal.html

Emissions of greenhouse gases
[URL]http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/gg98rpt/emission.html[/URL]

More on nuclear options for Hydrogen
[URL]http://nuclear.gov/home/11-09-04.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.pbmr.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://gt-mhr.ga.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/analysis/nucenviss2.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.pbmr.com/3_pbmr_technical_info/pbmr_technical_contents.htm#PBMRFuel[/URL]

Spray-On Solar-Power Cells Are True Breakthrough
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0114_050114_solarplastic.html

ASU researcher gets grant to explore new methods of hydrogen generation
[url]http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-01/asu-arg012005.php[/url]

Quantum Dots and Tunable Bandgap
[URL]http://www.evidenttech.com/applications/quantum-dot-solar-cells.php[/URL]
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=quantum+dots+Infrared+solar+cells[/url]

Hydrogen for residential combined heat and power
http://www.waterstof.org/20030725EHECO3-132.pdf

Oregon may lead future of wave energy: news alert
[url]http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-02/osu-oml020105.php[/url]

"Ethanol has the potential to be an integral part of the emerging hydrogen economy. Its properties make it an excellent liquid fuel for the extraction of hydrogen.
http://www.maui-tomorrow.org/issuespages/energy/ethanol_hydrogen.html

Hydrogen powered motorcycle: news item
[URL]http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1321345.html?menu=[/URL]

T-Zero Electric Car [hot!]
http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm

Windmills in the Sky: Wired News item
http://www.wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,67121,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2

Solar Tower of Power: Wired News item
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66694,00.html

About H2 ICE: Internal Combustion Engines. They're here...
[url]https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=70653[/url]

H2 CARSBIZ
http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/index.shtml

 

[russ_watters]

Why do you call it a scam? I agree that it could be, but this could just be a matter of pioneers blazing trails. Do you have some specific information about this company or the people involved?

My definition of a "scam" may be a little tighter than most, but I call a company with 3 employees (iirc), no engineering expertise to be designing the most ambitious construction project yet conceived, no possible funding source, and thus no hope of ever building it, a scam.

That these guys may be honest but clueless is possible, but that doesn't make it any less of a scam for people who fell for it and gave them money.

We've discussed this before and I went through the company's website (which contained a lot of company, as it is required by law) - I'll look for the thread...

 

[Ivan Seeking]

My definition of a "scam" may be a little tighter than most, but I call a company with 3 employees (iirc), no engineering expertise to be designing the most ambitious construction project yet conceived, no possible funding source, and thus no hope of ever building it, a scam.

We've discussed this before and I went through the company's website (which contained a lot of company, as it is required by law) - I'll look for the thread...

The Company
EnviroMission Limited listed on the Australian Stock Exchange in August 2001 to develop highly innovative Solar Tower electricity generation projects for the Australian renewable energy market.

EnviroMission owns the exclusive Australian license to Solar Tower technology and is moving to commercialise the first of five planned Solar Tower power stations in Australia by 2008. A single power station development will have the capacity to supply renewable energy to more than one 200,000 households.

The company anticipates its unique technology will capture the nation’s attention and place EnviroMission at the forefront of renewable energy generation in Australia.

Our competitive advantage will be based on innovative world-class engineering solutions to deliver substantial environmental benefits from large-scale, grid connected renewable energy technology.

A dedicated team of executives and an Advisory Panel of eminent industry professionals support the EnviroMission’s experienced board of directors in the drive to position the company as a leader in renewable energy development.

Board of Directors

Roger Chalmers Davey, B.Bus, CPA, CFTP
Executive Chairman (also Chief Executive Officer)


Mr Davey was the driving force behind the acquisition of the license to Solar Tower technology and the formation of EnviroMission as the vehicle to develop the technology in Australia first. He has served on the board of directors since 2001, in the first instance as Executive Director until his appointment as Executive Chairman in June 2004. He has held the position of Chief Financial Officer prior to his appointment as Chief Executive Officer in November 2001.



Mr. Davey is also Executive Chairman of SolarMission Technologies, Inc (formerly Energen Global, Inc) based in the United States. SolarMission Technologies, Inc is the global license holder of Solar Tower technology and is a long-term investor and major shareholder in EnviroMission Limited.



Mr. Davey brings knowledge and experience in; commodity and financial risk management; exchange and regulatory market matters; and, equity and capital finance issues, to EnviroMission’s company and board objectives, and is a cornerstone of the ongoing relationship between the global license holder, SolarMission Technologies, Inc, and EnviroMission Limited

Mr. Davey holds qualifications of Bachelor of Business (Economics/Accounting), Member of Certified Practicing Accountants (CPA), Member of the Securities Institute of Australia (ASIA), and Member of the Finance and Treasury Association Limited (CFTP).

Martin Hallowell Thomas AM, FTSE, HonFIEAust, FAIE
Non-Executive Director

Mr. Thomas has served on the EnviroMission board since 2001 as a non-executive director and non-executive Chairman before resigning and continuing in his role as non-executive director.

As a former Principal of Sinclair Knight Merz, Mr. Thomas has over 30 years experience as a consulting engineer in the power and energy sector. He was the founding Managing Director of the Australian Co-operative Research Centre for Renewable Energy (ACRE) and Greenhouse Gas Abatement Technologies. He was Chairman of the Electricity Council of New South Wales for six years. Mr Thomas has been responsible for numerous power generation and energy management projects in Australia and overseas.

Mr Thomas has played and continues to play a leading role in many engineering and energy organisations. He is the immediate past President of the Australian Institute of Energy, a past President of The Institution of Engineers Australia, a past Vice-President of the Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering and past Chairman of the National Engineering Registration Board.

Previous Board appointments include Deputy Chairman of Australian Inland Energy and Water and Non Executive Director of the Tyree Group of Companies.

Stephen Graves, MBA Finance, BA Econ.
Non-Executive Director

Advisory Panel

An advisory panel of individuals eminent in their respective fields has been assembled to provide EnviroMission’s board of directors with constructive opinion, rigorous scrutiny and facilitation with high-level government, science, legal, commercial and industry consultations.

Panel member expertise includes:

Renewable energy generation
Energy industry issues and needs
Science, research and development
Civil engineering and construction
Major project development
Large-scale construction and manufacturing
Environmental and ecological issues
Community consultation
Regional infrastructure and economic impacts
Legal and commercial
Members of the Advisory Panel:

Martin Thomas AM - Chairman
The Hon. Peter Rae AO
Professor Ian Lowe AO
Dr. John Nutt AM
David Gallbally QC
Frank Spencer
Richard Farley
Advisory Panel Members’ Details

Martin Hallowell Thomas AM, FTSE, HonFIEAust, FAIE

Advisory Panel Chairman

Mr Thomas is also a non-executive director and former Chairman of EnviroMission. He is currently a director of Australian Inland Energy & Water and a director of the Tyree Group of Companies.

As a former Principal of Sinclair Knight Merz, Mr. Thomas has over 30 years experience as a consulting engineer in the power and energy sector. He was the founding managing director of the Australian Co-operative Research Centre for Renewable Energy (ACRE) and Greenhouse Gas Abatement Technologies. He was Chairman of the Electricity Council of New South Wales for six years. Mr Thomas has been responsible for numerous power generation and energy management projects in Australia and overseas.

Mr Thomas continues to play a leading role in many engineering and energy organisations. He is currently national president of the Australian Institute of Energy and is a past president of The Institution of Engineers Australia and a past vice-president of the Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering.

David Norman Galbally, QC

Mr Galbally is a leading Australian Queens Council practising out of Melbourne and specialising in criminal law, corporate compliance, commercial and trade practices, email and internet, white collar crime including breaches of Corporations Law, defrauding the Commonwealth/breaches of the Income Tax Act, and false and misleading prospectus prosecution.

He has appeared in all jurisdiction from Magistrates’ Court through to the High Court of Australia.

Mr Galbally serves on many boards of community and charitable organisations and is a partner of Melbourne based Browne and Co since July 2000.

The Hon. Peter Rae AO, BA LLB (Hons), FAICD, AIDM
Mr. Rae is a lawyer and the Director of Rae & Partners as is also the current Chairman of Hydro Tasmania since 1993. He is Chairman and Director to a number of other companies as well as Chairman of the Renewable Energy Generation Association.

Mr. Rae was the MHA (Lib) for the seat of Bass in Tasmania (1986-89) and has been a member of Federal Parliament for 18 years. He was a Minister for Education and The Arts, Industrial Relations, Deregulation, Technology and Youth Affairs. He has also been held Shadow Ministry portfolios for Industry and Commerce, Finance, Educations and Science.

He has chaired a variety of Senate Select Committees and is the author of many papers and chapters of books on constitutional administration and parliamentary law.

John Nutt AM BE, PhD, Hon DSc, HonFIEAust, FTSE, FIStructE, MICE
Dr John Nutt is an Australian engineer who led the international firm Ove Arup and Partners. He helped found the Australian practice of Ove Arup and Partners, now one of the leading firms of consulting engineers in the Asia - Pacific region, and was its Chairman for 25 years. He was also Chairman of The Arup Partnerships, London for four years.

Arup Australasia have been responsible for many of the tallest buildings in Australia, for many of the structures of the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games, and many significant buildings in Asia including the stadium at the 1998 Asian Games in Bangkok.

He helped pioneer the use of computers in engineering practice commencing with the design and analysis of the Sydney Opera House roof. Dr. Nutt oversaw the preparation of the Australian Standards for loads, load combinations, and wind forces on buildings and structures.

Prof. Ian Lowe AO, BSc., DPhil
Professor Lowe is a prominent commentator on public policy issues, with a special interest in sustainable energy. Named Australian Humanist of the Year in 1988, Dr Lowe has been a key advisor for many government bodies and non-government groups. He has acted as Director of the Australian Government’s Commission for the Future and he chaired the Advisory Council that produced Australia’s first national report on the state of the environment.

Dr Lowe has been acknowledged for his contribution to the understanding of science, technology and the environment by being named a Queensland Living Legend at the Premier’s Millennium Awards for Excellence. With more than 400 publications to his name, Dr Lowe is one of Australia’s most highly respected and sought after public speakers.

Richard Farley BA
Mr. Farley is the Managing Director of the Farley Consulting Group (FCG) specialising in the development of agreements at a community level, particularly in relation to native title issues.

Mr. Farley is currently the co-chair of the NSW State Reconciliation Committee and an Ambassador for Reconciliation. Mr Farley was appointed to chair the NSW Government Resource and Conservation Assessment Council at the beginning of 2000 and has chaired the Lake Victoria Advisory Council for the Murray Darling Basin Commission since 1997. He was also former Executive Director of the National Farmers’ Federation.

Mr. Farley has wide experience in finding common ground on issues and in negotiations from community to international level. During his career, Mr. Farley has exercised responsibility for the direction of national organisations and developed their business and financial plans.

Executive Management Team

EnviroMission’s executive management team is comprised of people who hold significant senior level experience and expertise with both government and private electricity enterprises within Australia’s energy market.

Roger Chalmers Davey, B.Bus, CPA, CFTP
Chief Executive Officer (Executive Chairman)

Mr. Davey has extensive knowledge of, and experience in; commodity and financial risk management; exchange and regulatory market matters; and, equity and capital finance issues and has been Chief Executive Officer since November 2004.

Ian David Riley, Dip Com; CA
Company Secretary

Mr. Riley's extensive background as a Chartered Accountant and principal of several accounting practices has provided him with broad experience of corporate fiduciary responsibilities, including initial public offerings, capital raisings, financial due diligence and audits of listed public companies.

Kim Forté, B Soc Sc

Communications Manager

Ms Forte has a background in socio-environmental science and worked extensively in corporate communications across diverse industry sectors, specifically involving public relations, government relations and investor relations. She also has experience in marketing, branding and research design and application.

Ms Forte is Vice-President of one of Australia’s leading environmental education organisations, Gould Group and has served on its board since 1996






Mr. Graves has served on the EnviroMission board as a non-executive director since 2001 and has also served the EnviroMission as Chief Executive Officer prior to his departure to the United States in November 2001.

He was a former Treasurer of Mobil Oil Australia and New Zealand, and President of the multi-billion dollar finance arm of the company. He was responsible for funding Mobil Corporation’s capital requirements in the Pacific Region.

Previously a senior consultant to Ernst & Young, Stephen provided expert advice on corporate finance, tax and financial systems. From 1998 to 2000 he provided senior financial advice to a Queensland government owned electricity retailer with an annual turnover of A$1 Billion.

Mr. Graves is also a consultant to SolarMission Technologies, Inc, in the United States.

Mr. Graves obtained his MBA in Finance at UCLA and a Bachelor of Arts (Cum Laude) in Economics at the University of Washington. He has been a member of the Finance & Treasury Association (CFTP).

Geoffrey Max Parkinson
Non-Executive Director

Mr. Parkinson has served on the EnviroMission board since 2001 as a non-executive director and former company secretary of Prudential West Ltd who merged with EnviroMission in 2001 to form EnviroMission Limited to list on the ASX in the same year.

Mr. Parkinson has over 30 years experience in the banking and finance sector in key executive director and management roles. He has contributed extensively to the development of the sector through his widely adopted training and development programmes.

Mr. Parkinson is founder and director of West Australian based Mortgage Originator entity FinanceCorp North Pty. Ltd.

Guoxiang Ma
Non-Executive Director

Mr Ma joined the EnviroMission board on the 8 June 2004, and resides in Shanghai in the Peoples Republic of China.

Mr Ma is the founding Chairman of Shanghai Xiang Jiang Industrial Co. Ltd., since 1994.

Shanghai Jiang Industrial Co. Ltd. has been involved in property development and the building sector since inception.

Mr Ma is also Chairman of Sunshine Energy (Aust.) Pty. Ltd., an investor in EnviroMission since November 2003 with the purpose of advancing EnviroMission’s commercial prospects in Australia and forming an important link in the development of Solar Tower power stations in China.

Yue Tang
Alternate Non-Executive Director for Mr. Guoxiang Ma (since 8 June, 2004)

Mr Tang is director and Secretary of Sunshine Energy (Aust.) Pty. Ltd. and Director of Shanghai Xiang Jiang Industrial Co. Ltd. Mr Tang is an engineer with experience in semiconductor research associated with solar power generation. Mr Tang is alternate non-executive director for Mr Ma who resides in China.

http://www.enviromission.com.au/

Okay, I believe you. It's a scam.

 

[russ_watters]

Ivan, only four of those guys (ok, so I thought it was 3...) are in the company. The "advisory panel" is just a bunch of names they assembled to make it look like they have experts working for them (and yeah, you fell for it). Go through their financials.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

And no engineers to boot...

Give me a break. You have absolutely no idea what relation or agreements these people may have. Obviously they are allowed to use the names of those listed. That alone constitutes a professional relationship. You're just guessing and taking pot shots as usual.

 

[russ_watters]

HERE is the website. They still have the Time article "Best inventions of 2002" up as the centerpiece of the site. It still says:

Within five years EnviroMission aims to be one of Australia’s leading producers of clean, green renewable energy.

I can only assume that's from August of 2002, when they were awarded "'State Significant Development' status".

So they're halfway there... how are they doing so far...?

-They still do not employ any engineers.
-They still do not have a meaningful amount of funding.

I think I said it before (dang, why can't I find that...) MY company, with 2 engineers, 4 AutoCAD drafters is in a better position to do the project than they are.

More later, got to go...

 

[russ_watters]

Give me a break. You have absolutely no idea what relation or agreements these people may have. Obviously they are allowed to use the names of those listed. That alone constitutes a professional relationship. You're just guessing and taking pot shots as usual.

Ivan, yes, I do know. One of the nice things about being a publicly traded company is that they are required by law to post an annual report. Its all there. I have to go, but I'll pull specifics for you this afternoon.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

At a glance this appears to be a perfectly normal way to approach such a massive effort. Just as many of my customers do, they are probably contracting out the work as its needed. You don't hire 500 people for a project that isn't even funded yet. This is a financial effort at this stage.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Main Entry: scam
Pronunciation: 'skam
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation <an insurance scam>

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Scientists discover better way to generate power from thermal sources

HOUSTON -- Your car's engine loses 70 percent of its energy as waste heat -- but Australian and Oregon scientists may have figured out an efficient way not only to recover that lost energy, but to at long last capture the power-producing potential of geothermal heat.

The trick is to convert it to electricity -- and a promising way to accomplish this, the researchers have discovered, involves using extremely thin nanowires to potentially more than double the efficiency of thermoelectric materials.

"If all goes well, nanostructured thermoelectric devices may be practical for applications such as recycling of waste heat in car engines, on-chip cooling of computer microprocessors and silent, more compact domestic refrigerators," says Heiner Linke, a University of Oregon assistant professor of physics associated with ONAMI, the Oregon Nanoscience and Microtechnologies Institute. [continued]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-04/uoo-sdb040505.php

 

[hitssquad]

Scientists discover better way to generate power from thermal sources

What they might have discovered is an improvement upon the efficiency of thermoelectric materials. All they are talking about in regards to the use of these materials with car engines is creating some electrical power by placing the thermoelectric generators on the vehicle's exhaust pipes. Scientists have been experimenting with thermoelectric devices on exhaust pipes for years:
http://www.hi-z.com/websit07.htm

 

[Ivan Seeking]

From the link:

researchers have discovered, involves using extremely thin nanowires to potentially more than double the efficiency of thermoelectric materials.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

-They still do not employ any engineers.
-They still do not have a meaningful amount of funding.

It is all about the money and they are trying to sell the idea. This does not make it scam. It only means that like most projects, expectations exceed the reality of things. Obviously this is a hard sell. Like I said, you would have them hire people for an unfunded project. It doesn't work that real in the real world for projects of this size and risk.

All that you can say is that they have not met their goals.

 

[Cliff_J]

Are you thinking of the guy who wanted to pump fuel into space on a carbon nanotube tether/pipe?

No, as others have said, the solar tower idea just uses solare heating of the desert and would work - in theory. But that "in theory" part is a real kicker: The worlds tallest freestanding structure is about 500m high. They want to build a 1000m tower. Doesn't seem too realistic to me from an engineering standpoint.

No I recall a discussion on here a long time back where the idea of some giant solar tower was proposed but rather than just use the heated air it also employed some use of water misting like a cooling tower. Some sort of method to increase the temperature differential to boost efficiency. Links to quite a few websites were provided, then the debunking started.

First the feasibility of such a tall and wide structure were addressed. I like watching the show "Extreme Engineering" and their ideas are wild enough, but those ideas are dwarfed by some structure nearly 20 miles across and over a half mile in height.

Second, the water was suppossed to be taken up to 2/3 the height to be deployed. The calcs for a column of water that high, the pumps needed and pumping losses, even just the pipe needed to contain that pressure were pushing available technologies. (makes sense with this about 2x as tall as the tallest buildings) Someone had done the numbers and showed the pumping requiring more MW than the design was suppossed to produce in total.

Third was the return on investment and cost to build. And now the extra question of would this structure be designed to handle terroristic acts too since its a symbol of captialism.

I dunno, I'd like to see a scale model working first with repeatability.

 

[Seafang]

The point that you seem to keep missing is that there are about a hundred links in this thread and linked threads that answer your questions. Many renewable energy sources are promising, or even succeeding in some markets. I'm not about to list them all again. If you read, you will see that they are already discussed in this thread, and the original archived thread, linked on page one. The real point here is to track the progress of various approaches and to see which are most practical. Also, as suggested by Chronos, even nuclear power may be a part of the solution.

Well I am not missing anything; I have already read all the things you have alluded to; to the point where this whole thread has become exceedingly tiresome. Everybody seems to be trying to justify his or her particular pet form of "alternative" energy.
I'm in favor of ANY form of alternative energy sources.

What I am not in favor of is using scarce and expensive existing sources of energy that we desperately need to use for enterprise merely to repaint the gas tank a different color; because that is all that you are doing when you take existing fossil fuels and raw materials like water or hydrocarbons to extract at very high energy cost, the atoms of hydrogen you want to put in your newly repainted gas tank. It is simply a wheel spinning operation, and makes available NO new energy over and above what we still have left from available sources.

Exploit new sources of energy Yes I cheer for that. Waste existing sources of energy merely repackaging already scarce energy NO ! a thousand times NO!.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Question from a member

The question is: How many nuclear power plants would be required to completely replace fossil fuels via H2 production for the US transportation sector?

I was shooting from the hip a bit but this should be a reasonable approximation. I'm sure that you will state any objections to the method used.

I used the following information. In the May 2004 edition of Scientific American,
http://www.sciamdigital.com/browse.cfm?sequencenameCHAR=item2&methodnameCHAR=resource_getitembrowse&interfacenameCHAR=browse.cfm&ISSUEID_CHAR=CB826BAE-2B35-221B-6E2587F29CF2C88A&ARTICLEID_CHAR=CB9BE5E6-2B35-221B-6F2461DEF9B52B9C&sc=I100322
The current “well to wheels efficiency” [WWE] of various fuels and applications are listed. For Crude oil used in internal combustion engines, the WWE is about 12%. For simplicity, I assume this as typical of all internal combustion engines.

Next, the total demand for crude was located here http://energy.senate.gov/legislation/energybill/charts/chart8.pdf
and is estimated to be about 13 million barrels per day for the entire US transportation sector.

Next, from the Energy Information Administration; International Energy Annual 2002, it appears the most crude comes with a total heat content of 5800 thousand BTUs per barrel. After converting [1055.056 Joules/BTU] etc, and after factoring in the 12% efficiency and the number of barrels per day demand, etc., I come up with a total of about 1.1 X 10¹¹ watts as the effective power demand.

If we consider water to H2 via electrolysis applied to hydrogen fuel cell powered electric cars, we expect a total well to wheel efficiency of about 8%. So we need 1.4 X 10¹² watts; or about 1100 nuclear power plants. This assumes 1200MW as the typical size of each nuclear plant.

If we use methane reformed to hydrogen via nuclear it gets more complicated. But it appears that the cracking process is the majority of the fuel chain energy loss, so a straight forward WWE is at least in the ball park. With this, it appears that by converting methane to H2, and again running a H2 fuel cell powered car, we would need about 420 nuclear power plants.

If these were applied to hydrogen internal combustion engines, considering only the efficiency of autos and using that as a worst case, we would need about 1.7 times as many nuclear plants in either case; or 1900, and 710 plants, respectively.

The initial calculations ignore aircraft and machines that cannot be converted to run on electric power. So the real number should lie somewhere between 1100 - 1900 for water to hydrogen, or 420 - 710 nuclear power plants in the case of reformed methane.

edit: error corrected

 

[willib]

Why would the amount of carbon in a gas give higher BTU value ??
http://www.naturalgas.com/consumer/measuring.html
bottom of page..

 

[Ivan Seeking]

More carbon means more bonds to break and form, hence more energy out. Ideally, all of the carbon atoms would bind as CO₂, which is what makes this all a net positive - exothermic - reaction. So as a rule of thumb, more carbon means more energy out per molecule.

 

[willib]

Oh ..Thanks Ivan..
i was doing some research today on the amount of natural gas we (our association) could save if we lowered the temp of our hot water heaters by one degree C..any way i came across a site that gave the specific heat of hydrogen to be something like 14,000 where the specific heat of water is 4.18 . it looked like hydrogen would make an excellent heat transfer mechinism..??
btw we could save 1090.9 CF of gas a month ,for a 500 gal hot water heater, if we lowered the temp by one degree C ..
I used a low number of the water heater comming on just five times a day..
( in reality it probably rarely goes off)

 

[willib]

and what about combined cycle gas turbines (CCGT )
http://www.energy.qld.gov.au/infosite/ex_comb_cycle_gt.html
do you mean to tell me that this whole time ,nuclear power plants have been wasting all that heat that goes into the cooling towers?
ps..
that is a general you , it is not geared twards anyone in particular..

 

[willib]

Ivan , is there any way to make methane ,from hydrogen? exothermic or endothermic?
maybe under high pressure , H2 will combine with carbon in nano tubes to give CH4 ??

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Why would you want to go the other direction? The whole point is to take the carbon out of the fuel chain.

It would take energy to break up the CO₂ and H₂O, and you would get less energy back when you allow the free carbon atoms to bind with free hydrogen, and the free oxygen to form O₂. So the reaction would be endothermic going the other direction. Also, the reaction in that direction is not spontaneous so it would be more complicated than that.

 

[hitssquad]

The whole point is to take the carbon out of the fuel chain.

What might be the purpose of taking carbon out of the fuel chain?

 

[willib]

WHY.??.because you said

More carbon means more bonds to break and form, hence more energy out

So i figured if one could use a more energy potent gas , then this whole thing might work..
thats all

 

[Ivan Seeking]

What might be the purpose of taking carbon out of the fuel chain?

Well that's a loaded question if I've ever heard one. Okay you tell me, why don't we want to remove carbon from the fuel chain?

Of course the answer to your question is global warming.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Ah, I'll bet that you're thinking of the net zero carbon fuels - some of the biodiesel and ethanol options.

 

[willib]

Well that's a loaded question if I've ever heard one. Okay you tell me, why don't we want to remove carbon from the fuel chain?

Of course the answer to your question is global warming.

Global warming ?..! There have been many times in the past where the amount of carbon in the atmosphere has far exceeded the present..of course it is usually followed by a drastic drop in global temp. ice age ..
its just natures way of cleaning house i suppose..
my humble opinion..

 

[hitssquad]

The attractions of liquid hydrocarbon fuels

why don't we want to remove carbon from the fuel chain?

Carbon makes a convenient carrier for hydrogen; infrastructure is set up for liquid hydrocarbon fuels; and liquid hydrocarbon fueled engines satisfy relatively high machine performance standards.

Of course the answer to your question is global warming.

The answer is not noxious and smog-forming pollution?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

There are many reasons to remove carbon from the fuel chain. Yes, pollution is one reason, but greenhouse gas emissions are the primary concern.

If scientists magically declared an end to our global warming concerns, I would jump off of the hydrogen-only bandwagon in about five seconds.

 

[hitssquad]

Various definition of pollution

pollution is one reason, but greenhouse gas emissions are the primary concern.

Sometimes greenhouse gas emissions are referred to as "pollution."
http://www.google.com/search?q=greenhouse+gas+pollution

Do you know what equivocation is?

If scientists magically declared an end to our global warming concerns, I would jump off of the hydrogen-only bandwagon in about five seconds.

Perhaps global warming and its causes and social impacts should be addressed in another thread in another section of Physics Forums such as Earth and/or Social Sciences.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Sometimes greenhouse gas emissions are referred to as "pollution."
http://www.google.com/search?q=greenhouse+gas+pollution

Do you know what equivocation is?

What is your point? You used the words noxious and smog-forming pollution, neither of which apply to CO₂ within the context of global warming.

Perhaps global warming and its causes and social impacts should be addressed in another thread in another section of Physics Forums such as Earth and/or Social Sciences.

The source article for this thread discusses greenhouse gases in fair detail. So it is completely on topic as far as technology options and motivations are concerned.

 

[hitssquad]

What is your point?

Pollution can mean -- and often is used to mean -- various different things. When a speaker specifies what he is referring to by his use of an equivocal term such as pollution, there is less confusion. Use of equivocal terms without differentiation is equivocation and is confusing. Lack of confusion is important for scientific communication. Arthur Jensen reports that elite scientists tend to be earnest about minimizing confusion in communication.

You used the words noxious and smog-forming pollution

That differentiates quite well from other forms of pollution, yes?.

neither of which apply to CO₂ within the context of global warming.

Yes. That is very clear, isn't it?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I made my meaning clear when I said greenhouse gases and CO₂. If you have a point please make it.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

H2R Liquid Hydrogen powered BMW: Top Speed over 300 km/h

BMW Writes Automobile History and underlines Technological Leadership.

Hydrogen means top performance not only in rockets traveling to outer space:

...Indeed, the specifications of the H2R Record Car clearly confirm this superiority, the six-litre 12 cylinder power unit developing an output of more than 210 kW or 285 bhp. This accelerates the BMW prototype to 100 km/h in approximately 6 seconds and gives it a top speed of 302,4 km/h (185,52 mph). Based on the gasoline power unit featured in the BMW 760i, BMW's hydrogen combustion engine boasts the most advanced technologies such as BMW's fully variable VALVETRONIC valve drive. [continued]

http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/NewsID/2040920.001/bmw/1.html

Edit: Note that this car can run on gasoline or liquid hydrogen with the flick of a switch. Also, according to one interview on Discoveries This Week, over the next few years, BMW expects there to be enough H2 fueling stations built in Germany to justify production of H2 powered cars. I don't know who's buying the hydrgoen now or what motivate the installation of these stations, but it sounds like Germany is hot on H2.

 

[willib]

The most significant differences in terms of the engine's structural components are the hydrogen injection valve and the choice of materials for the combustion chambers: Contrary to the production engine with fuel injected directly into the combustion chambers themselves, the injection valves in the hydrogen engine are integrated in the intake manifolds. And for the specific speed record requirements to be fulfilled in this case, the hydrogen combustion engine was designed and built for single-mode operation running exclusively on hydrogen.

the test car can not switch between gasoline & hydrogen

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Sierra Nevada Brews Up Environmentally Friendly Fuel Cell

...Designed to create energy without combustion, the 1 MW power plant consists of four 250-kilowatt Direct FuelCell(R) (DFC(R)) power plants from FuelCell Energy, Inc. (NasdaqNM:FCEL). Its waste heat will be harvested in the form of steam and used for the brewing process as well as other heating needs. One MW of electricity (equivalent to the power needed to support approximately 500-1000 homes for a year) will supply essentially 100 percent of the brewery's base load power requirements. With this power plant, Sierra Nevada not only lowers its overall energy costs but also eliminates air pollutant emissions equivalent to removing 500 gasoline-powered cars from the road every year. When the fuel cells generate more power than the brewery requires, Sierra Nevada sends excess electricity back to the grid system and receives credit for a portion of its generation costs. [continued]

http://www.rednova.com/news/science/190024/sierra_nevada_brews_up_environmentally_friendly_fuel_cell_electricity_gov/
and
http://www.alliancepower.com/sierra.html

 

[Kenneth Mann]

Promising?

This looks like a promising approach to hydrogen delivery. It still has development issues but they look solvable. What do you think?

KM

 

[Ivan Seeking]

SPECIAL REPORT: Thinking Beyond Oil

AS THE PRICE OF A BARREL OF OIL continues to surge and oil traders eye possible disruptions in production from hurricane Katrina, scientists are turning to the ocean as a possible source of alternative energy.

Many forms of renewable energy have been contemplated, and of course solar and wind power plants are already in use. But so far, only a small fraction of the world's energy production comes from renewable resources.

President George W. Bush has talked of a hydrogen economy, in which abundant energy would be extracted from water and the tailpipes of cars would be clean. But extracting hydrogen from water requires energy -- fossil fuels or nuclear power, for example. Many scientists say technology will never allow the extraction of a enough hydrogen to make up for the energy needed to do the extracting. ]continued]

http://www.livescience.com/technology/ap_050826_wave_energy.html

 

[hitssquad]

http://www.livescience.com/technology/ap_050826_wave_energy.html

"There's a real good chance that Oregon could turn into kind of the focal point in the United States for wave energy development and I think that would be a boon to the economy,'' said Gary Cockrum, spokesman for the Central Lincoln People's Utility District."

Everyone wants a research grant, Ivan.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Thanks for the great insight.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

"Plug in your laptop to a cool hydrogen power source"

If you can't bear to be away from your laptop during that camping trip to deepest Borneo, help may soon be at hand. Lightweight generators powered by methanol are now on the market... for the rich, at least.

The device, designed to specifications for the US Army by the California company UltraCell, weighs just 1.3 kilograms when fuelled up and is the size of a novel. With a supply of 500 millilitres of methanol, the cell can chuck out 45 watts for a day, which is enough to power a laptop.

The cell and fuel together are half the weight of the lithium batteries needed to provide the same power.

Unlike traditional generators, fuel cells are totally quiet. And unlike batteries, they can be 'recharged' without being plugged into the wall. [continued]

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050822/full/050822-8.html

 

[russ_watters]

http://www.livescience.com/technology/ap_050826_wave_energy.html

No offense Ivan, but when I see statements like these:

...in which abundant energy would be extracted from water... [uh, energy is not extracted from water]

and

Many scientists say technology will never allow the extraction of a enough hydrogen to make up for the energy needed to do the extracting. [but only those who understand the first law of thermodynamics ]

...I cringe. Its articles like that, where the writer misunderstands the 1st law of thermodynamics (and pretty much everything else about the subject she's writing about), that make people have unrealistic expectations of what hydrogen can do. Much of the rest of the article is a bunch of second-hand soundbytes of similar uselessness. Ie:

"I read something involved with this that said if 0.2 percent of the ocean's energy were harnessed, it could produce enough energy to power the entire world,'' added Cockrum, the utility district spokesman. [emphasis added]

"I read something..."? A reporter actually put that quote into an article? Jeez, did she take journalism 101? Terrible, terrible article.

The biggest difficulty facing us in the so-called energy crisis is bad information coming from government and the media, making people think wrong things about our energy situation. Ie, the nuclear power decline caused by misinformation following TMI.

 

[russ_watters]

...where the writer misunderstands the 1st law of thermodynamics (and pretty much everything else about the subject she's writing about)...

Holy crap, the writer is an electrical engineer?? What the...?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

No offense Ivan, but when I see statements like these: and ...I cringe.

What exactly is your objection? If the energy is not in the water ala wave energy then where is it? And you seem to be objecting to the notion that we need need energy to "extract" hydrogen. I mean, I don't have any vested interest in livescience, but the meaning seemed pretty clear to me. Maybe you misunderstood.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Okay, I think you are reading this wrong. You were thinking the article is about extracting H2 from water for energy?

 

[LURCH]

Actually, I think he's reading it right, if he's talking about this segment:

President George W. Bush has talked of a hydrogen economy, in which abundant energy would be extracted from water and the tailpipes of cars would be clean. But extracting hydrogen from water requires energy -- fossil fuels or nuclear power, for example.

which is definitely talking about extracting hydrogen from water. And the other statement,

Many scientists say technology will never allow the extraction of a enough hydrogen to make up for the energy needed to do the extracting.

seems a bit silly to me,as well. "Many scientists say"? No, the law of entropy, arguably the most verified and inescapable truth of the physical universe, says. This isn't a question of "...technology will never allow...", but the physical laws of reality will never allow.

I am somewhat hopefull that the new breakthrough in carbon nanotubes will at least partially solve some of the most outsanding storage problems.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Well, according to the article in the OP, it's not so clear cut since the complete well-to-wheels efficiency of the system has to be considered. For example, it is more efficient to crack the hydrogen in methane and run that H2 in a Hydrogen fuel cell, than it is to run methane directly in methane fuel cells.

In either case, this article is about using ocean wave energy and the continued talk of the Oregon coast being a great focal point for this effort. The logical connection to H2 is that wave motion energy probably lends itself well to producing [cracking] H2. If I were an engineer wanting to work in this industry, I would sure want to know about the work in Oregon.

Not to mention that I am, I do, I'm here, so I hope to.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

btw, I have worked with Prof von Jouanne, and not only is she is a class act [having helped me to get my business going in the very early days], she is also very, very smart. She did a lot of work that help to solve the problem with VFD induced motor failures, and she allowed me to use some of her work [equations] to solve some problems that I had with a related technology. But in any event, I would chalk up any misstatements to LiveScience; or perhaps nerves.