Questions about Parity: Learn How Intrinsic Parity Relates to State Vector

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The discussion revolves around the concept of parity in quantum mechanics, specifically how intrinsic parity relates to the state vector of a system of non-interacting particles. Participants explore the implications of changing the basis of the state vector and how this affects the description of parity, including the relationship between the intrinsic parities of individual particles and the total system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a state vector for a pair of non-interacting particles and questions how to describe parity in a new basis, suggesting it might be expressed as a product of intrinsic parities and orbital angular momentum.
  • Another participant argues that in the new basis, the system is treated as a single quantum entity, and its parity is defined solely by the total isospin, indicating that the relationship between intrinsic parities is basis independent.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for examples to clarify the concepts, proposing a scenario with two non-interacting pions and questioning whether the total parity being +1 restricts the allowable values of orbital angular momentum for a given total isospin.
  • One participant asserts that while the overall parity of the superposition must be +1, this does not imply that each individual term in the superposition must also have a parity of +1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how parity should be described in the new basis, with some asserting that it can be expressed in terms of the total isospin while others maintain that the intrinsic parities of the individual particles are still relevant. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of total parity and its relationship to orbital angular momentum.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of expressing parity in different bases and the limitations of relating quantities from one basis to another. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification through examples, indicating that assumptions about the relationship between individual and total parities may vary based on context.

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A pair of non-interacting particles can be described by the state vector:
\begin{equation}
\Psi_{p_1,\sigma_1,p_2,\sigma_1, t_1, T_1, t_2, T_2}
\end{equation}

Where T is the isospin and t is the 3rd-component. The parity of this state is the product of the intrinsic parities of the two particles. Now, we do a change of basis:
\begin{equation}
\Psi_{p_1,\sigma_1,p_2,\sigma_1, t_1, T_1, t_2, T_2} \Rightarrow \Psi_{E, p, j, \sigma, l, t, s, T}
\end{equation}
Where E is the total energy, p is the total momentum, j is the total angular momentum, l is the orbital angular momentum, sigma is the total angular momentum 3-component, s is the total spin, and t, T are the total isospin. My question is, how would we describe parity in this basis? Obviously the it must equal the product of the intrinsic parities of the two particles. Would the parity in this basis be
\begin{equation}
(-1)^{l}\eta_T
\end{equation}
Where \eta_T is the intrinsic parity corresponding to isospin T? Or is this completely wrong?
 
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hgandh said:
Obviously the it must equal the product of the intrinsic parities of the two particles.

But in the new basis you introduced, there aren't "two particles"; there is just one quantum system. Its parity is ##\eta_T##, the parity of the total isospin of the system.

The fact that the parity of the state of the total system must be the product of the intrinsic parities of the two particles is expressed as ##\eta_T = \eta_{T_1} \eta_{T_2}##. But this fact is basis independent, and there's no way to write it down entirely in terms of quantities in a single basis, since in one basis you only have the isospins of the two individual particles, and in the other basis you only have the isospin of the total system.
 
PeterDonis said:
But in the new basis you introduced, there aren't "two particles"; there is just one quantum system. Its parity is ##\eta_T##, the parity of the total isospin of the system.

The fact that the parity of the state of the total system must be the product of the intrinsic parities of the two particles is expressed as ##\eta_T = \eta_{T_1} \eta_{T_2}##. But this fact is basis independent, and there's no way to write it down entirely in terms of quantities in a single basis, since in one basis you only have the isospins of the two individual particles, and in the other basis you only have the isospin of the total system.

I think using an example would help me understand better. Let's say we have two non-interacting pions with ##T_ 1=T_2=1## and total parity of ##\eta_{1}\eta_{2}=+1##. This state can be expressed as a superposition of states in the new basis as
\begin{equation}
\sum_{j,\sigma,l,t,s,T}\Psi_{E,p,l,j,\sigma,l,t,s,T}
\end{equation}
Where ##T= 0, 1, 2##. The parity of these states, ##\eta_T## must be +1 right? So does this restrict the allowable values of the orbital angular momentum for a given T?
 
hgandh said:
The parity of these states,##\eta_T## must be +1 right?

The parity of the superposition as a whole must be ##+ 1##, since it's the same overall state in a different basis. That does not necessarily mean that the parity of each individual term in the superposition must be ##+ 1##.
 

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