Questions about piezoelectricity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using piezoelectric materials and the triboelectric effect to generate electrical currents that can be felt on the skin from mild pressure or friction. Participants explore various mechanisms for electricity generation, including piezoelectricity and triboelectricity, while considering practical applications and limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether piezoelectric materials can generate sufficient electricity from mild pressure or friction, expressing a desire for a device that creates a noticeable electrical current.
  • One participant asserts that significant force is required to generate a current from piezoelectric materials, suggesting that this may not suit the intended application.
  • Another participant proposes the use of induction as an alternative method for generating electricity, referencing devices like shake flashlights.
  • Discussion includes the triboelectric effect, with references to articles suggesting that friction between human skin and certain polymers could produce enough current to be felt.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using triboelectricity and static electricity for the desired application, with a suggestion to consider conventional batteries instead.
  • One participant expresses a preference for a battery-free solution, even if it results in lower performance, indicating a desire for a more tactile experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of piezoelectric materials or triboelectricity for the intended application. There are competing views on the feasibility of generating sufficient electrical current from mild pressure or friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations regarding the performance of piezoelectric and triboelectric systems, as well as the potential need for batteries, indicating that assumptions about the effectiveness of these methods may vary based on specific applications.

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it is possible to build a device that can create an electrical current that can be felt on the skin from a mild pressure by the hand?, dose piezoelectric materials can create enough electricity from friction like rubing them with the hand?.

don't ask for what it is, i just want to know
 
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FTM1000 said:
it is possible to build a device that can create an electrical current that can be felt on the skin from a mild pressure by the hand?, dose piezoelectric materials can create enough electricity from friction like rubing them with the hand?.

don't ask for what it is, i just want to know

No, not really. You have to smack piezo pretty hard to get much of a current out of it. That wouldn't fit your application :-)

You could probably do something with induction -- like the flashlights that you shake to light them up.
 
berkeman said:
No, not really. You have to smack piezo pretty hard to get much of a current out of it. That wouldn't fit your application :)

You could probably do something with induction -- like the flashlights that you shake to light them up.

do you know what is the application of what i want to do? i can tell you on private if you want cause i can't talk about it her cause of adult restrictions..
the shaking mechanism of a magnet in a copper coil wouldn't fit to what i want.

what about triboelectric effect? i readed an article about producing electricity with friction of human skin on some polymer http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn403838y
it could produce enough current to be felt on the body?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD5N5_nmVug

i don't know if it is the same case but i saw this video about triboelectric power and charging of smartphones, in 2:15 there is a demonstration with someone powering several led diods by blowing into this generator
 
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FTM1000 said:
do you know what is the application of what i want to do? i can tell you on private if you want cause i can't talk about it her cause of adult restrictions..
the shaking mechanism of a magnet in a copper coil wouldn't fit to what i want.

what about triboelectric effect? i readed an article about producing electricity with friction of human skin on some polymer http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn403838y
it could produce enough current to be felt on the body?

i don't know if it is the same case but i saw this video about triboelectric power and charging of smartphones, in 2:15 there is a demonstration with someone powering several led diods by blowing into this generator


The "Mentor" label under my username means that I see all that happens on the PF, so yes, I know what your desired application is.

No, triboelectricity and static electricity will probably not do what you want. What do you have against AA batteries? Or even CR2032 batteries?
 
berkeman said:
The "Mentor" label under my username means that I see all that happens on the PF, so yes, I know what your desired application is.

No, triboelectricity and static electricity will probably not do what you want. What do you have against AA batteries? Or even CR2032 batteries?
it looks like it can produce significant current from mild rubbing so it can work to some level right? it is enough to be felt on the skin?.
i preffer it to be driven by touching and without batteries, even if it will have inferior performance. it just feel better that way
 

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