Piezoelectricity from wind on cars

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using piezoelectric devices on cars to harness energy from wind pressure while the vehicle is in motion. Participants explore the potential energy generation, the mechanics of piezoelectricity, and the implications for energy efficiency and fuel consumption.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that piezoelectric devices could generate power from wind pressure on a moving car.
  • Others argue that any energy produced would ultimately come from the gasoline used by the engine, questioning the notion of "free" energy.
  • A participant points out that piezoelectric devices require a change of force to generate electricity, suggesting that steady speed conditions would not produce power.
  • There is a suggestion that the slowing down and speeding up of a car could create the necessary change of force for energy generation.
  • One participant proposes an alternative idea of using a flapping flag to activate piezo devices, indicating it might be more suitable for a sailboat.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential increase in drag and reduced aerodynamic efficiency if such devices were added to a car.
  • Several participants emphasize that the energy generated would not justify the additional fuel consumption required to maintain speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility and efficiency of using piezoelectric devices for energy generation in cars. While some see potential in the concept, others firmly argue against its practicality and efficiency, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about energy generation, the mechanics of piezoelectric devices, and the relationship between energy harvesting and fuel consumption, which remain unresolved.

rasen58
Messages
71
Reaction score
2
Would it be possible to put piezoelectric devices on the front of a car so that when the car is moving forward, the pressure from the wind on the car and piezo devices produces power to charge a battery?
If the wind is strong enough, do you think there would be a considerable amount of energy produced?
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
rasen58 said:
Would it be possible to put piezoelectric devices on the front of a car so that when the car is moving forward, the pressure from the wind on the car and piezo devices produces power to charge a battery?
If the wind is strong enough, do you think there would be a considerable amount of energy produced?
Any power you get from doing that will come ultimately from the gasoline in the engine. If you think you could get something "free" in this way, you are mistaken.
 
No a piezoelectric device requires a change of force to generate electricity so under steady speed conditions there would be no power generated.
 
phinds said:
Any power you get from doing that will come ultimately from the gasoline in the engine. If you think you could get something "free" in this way, you are mistaken.
I don't think it would be that free, just reclaiming some of the energy used.

Jobrag said:
No a device requires a change of force to generate electricity so under steady speed conditions there would be no power generated.
Oh okay. But, would the slowing down and speeding up of a car be able to produce the change of force?
 
It might be better to arrange a flapping flag to repeatedly hit against an array of piezo devices. More suited to a sail boat, maybe.
 
rasen58 said:
I don't think it would be that free, just reclaiming some of the energy used.
But you would NOT be "reclaiming some of the energy used", you would be requiring the use of MORE gas and wasting some of it in various inefficiencies to get an end result that you can already get from the car's alternator. Your statement makes me think that you DO somehow believe that there would be something free involved.
 
How would it use more gas if the car is moving anyway?
 
rasen58 said:
How would it use more gas if the car is moving anyway?
Ah ha ! You DO think it's free energy. Certainly, you could generate energy but this would be at the expense of the kinetic energy of the car, as provided by the gas engine. If you wanted to keep the car running at the same speed as it would if you were not harvesting energy the way you suggest, you would have to supply more energy via the engine. Can you not see that were it otherwise this would be free energy? Free energy leads to perpetual motion machines. They don't work.
 
rasen58 said:
How would it use more gas if the car is moving anyway?
Adding such a device would reduce the aerodynamic efficiency of the car/increase drag.
 
  • #10
Oh I see, so the small amount of energy it would generate wouldn't be worth the tradeoff from using more gas
 
  • #11
rasen58 said:
Oh I see, so the small amount of energy it would generate wouldn't be worth the tradeoff from using more gas
Correct ... it would be a net loss of energy, as I have said repeatedly.
 
  • #12
phinds said:
Ah ha ! You DO think it's free energy.

Lol, absolutely nothing gets past you... as I have seen repeatedly... :oldeyes: ... :biggrin:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 117 ·
4
Replies
117
Views
11K
Replies
13
Views
7K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
4K