Questions from Peskin and Schroeder

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The discussion revolves around questions and clarifications regarding transformations of spinor fields as presented in the book "Peskin and Schroeder." Participants explore the mathematical details of Lorentz transformations, the appearance of the factor ##\Lambda_{1/2}##, and the implications for Dirac spinors. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum field theory and the application of transformations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the factor ##\Lambda_{1/2}## in the transformation of the spinor field, suggesting it should be absent.
  • Another participant asserts that the factor is essential due to the nature of spinors as bispinors or Dirac-spinors, which belong to specific representations of the Lorentz group.
  • Several participants reference other texts, such as Srednicki's book, to support their claims about the transformation of spinors.
  • There is a discussion about the transformation of the spinor field under coordinate transformations, with comparisons made to the transformation of vector fields like the Maxwell equations.
  • A participant raises a question about the derivation of a specific boost matrix from the equations provided in Peskin, seeking clarification on the terms involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the boost is taken along the z-axis and discusses the implications for the transformation parameters.
  • Concerns are raised about verifying that a specific form of ##u(p)## solves the Dirac equation, with requests for clarification on the identities used in the derivation.
  • One participant proposes that the solution should include a phase factor ##u(p)e^{-ipx}##, leading to a discussion on the implications for the Dirac equation.
  • There is a request for proof of a specific identity related to the transformation, with a follow-up providing a mathematical derivation involving the properties of the Pauli matrices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the factor ##\Lambda_{1/2}## in transformations, as well as on the verification of solutions to the Dirac equation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that Peskin and Schroeder may lack clarity on the group-theoretical aspects of the transformations, which could lead to confusion in understanding the underlying principles.

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On page 42 of Peskin, at the bottom they say that the next transformation should follow:

##[i\gamma^\mu\partial_\mu - m ]\psi (x) \rightarrow [i\gamma^\mu(\Lambda^{-1})^\nu_\mu \partial_\nu - m ] \Lambda_{1/2} \psi (\Lambda^{-1}x)##

But why does the factor ##\Lambda_{1/2}## appear there? shouldn't it be without this factor?
Thanks in advance.
 
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No, there must be this factor, because the spinor field is not a scalar but (as the name suggests) a spinor. More precisely it's a bispinor or Dirac-spinor, and thus ##\Lambda_{1/2}## belongs to the ##(1/2,0) \oplus (0,1/2)## representation of the Lorentz group. Unfortunately Peskin-Schroeder is not very explicit in the group-theoretical aspects of the whole game. To really understand, what's behind the fields, I recommend

Sexl, Roman U., Urbandtke, Helmuth K.: Relativity, Groups, Particles, Springer, 2001
 
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On which pages exactly do they discuss this issue?

Thanks.
 
Well you can even see that in Srednicki's book...eg eq 34.1
The spinor gets transformed by a Lorentz transformation, as well as its argument.
 
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In a coordinatetransformation you should transform everything. The psi transforms nontrivially under a coordinatetransformation. Hence your factor Lambda_{1/2}. Compare to the Maxwell equations; performing a coordinate transformation transforms the field A.
 
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Thanks guys, your help is appreciated.
 
Wait a minute, let's make it rigorous.
we have ##i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu -m ] \psi(x) ##, so what is transformed is ##i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu \rightarrow i\gamma^\mu (\Lambda^{-1})^\nu _\mu \partial_\nu## and ##\psi(x)\rightarrow \Lambda_{1/2} \psi(\Lambda^{-1}x)## is this right?

And we get this annoying factor since it's a transformation of spinors, right? In scala transformation we don't have this factor.
 
I have another question from Peskin's, on page 46 they say:"
Now apply the same boost to ##u(p)##. According to equations (3.26) and (3.30) which are respcetively: ##S^{0i}=-\imath /2
\begin{bmatrix}
\sigma^i& 0\\
0& -\sigma^i \end{bmatrix}##

and ##\Lambda_{1/2} = \exp (-\imath /2 \omega_{\mu \nu} S^{\mu \nu}## we get:
u(p) = \exp(-1/2 \eta<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \sigma^3&amp; 0\\<br /> 0&amp; -\sigma^3 \end{bmatrix}) \sqrt{m}<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \xi\\<br /> \xi \end{bmatrix}

I don't understand how did we get the last boost? How to infer this exponential matrix? Shouldn't we take: ##\Lambda_{1/2}\sqrt{m} (\xi , \xi)^T##, what happened to the other terms in ##\omega_{\mu \nu} S^{\mu \nu}##?
 
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I guess the boost is taken along the z-axis ?
 
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@ChrisVer yes the boost is taken over 3-direction, but how do you arrive at this matrix from ##\omega_{\mu \nu} S^{\mu \nu}##?
 
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I think that the generators of boosts are the S^{0i}... as a result all the \omega_{\mu \nu} (the transformation parameters) that don't match to this must be zero.
Then taking only the 3-direction of boosts \omega_{03}\ne0 \equiv \eta.
 
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@ChrisVer that's what I also thought, but wasn't sure.
 
  • #13
On page 46 it's argued that you can verify directly that ##u(p) =
\begin{bmatrix}
\sqrt{p\cdot \sigma} \xi\\
\sqrt{p\cdot \bar{\sigma}} \xi
\end{bmatrix}##
solves the Dirac equation: ##
\begin{bmatrix}
-m& i\sigma \cdot \partial\\
i\bar{\sigma}\cdot \partial & -m \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}
\psi_L\\
\psi_R\end{bmatrix} = 0
##
I don't see how exactly, if I plug ##u(p)## back to Dirac equation I get:
##
\begin{bmatrix}
-m\sqrt{p\cdot \sigma} \xi + i\sigma \partial (\sqrt{p\cdot \bar{\sigma}} \xi)\\
i\bar{\sigma}\partial(\sqrt{p\cdot \sigma} \xi) - m \sqrt{p\cdot \bar{\sigma}}\xi\end{bmatrix}## what identity do I miss here and why (I mean why does the identity follow or where does it appear in Peskin's?).

Thanks in advance.
 
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Anyone?
 
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I think actually not ##u(p)## is the solution but ##u(p)e^{-ipx}## (compare to eq. 3.45). The ##\partial##'s in your equation will then be replaced by ##-ip##.
The first line then reads

## -m \sqrt{p\sigma}\xi + \sigma p \sqrt{p\bar\sigma}\xi = -m \sqrt{p\sigma}\xi + \sqrt{(p \sigma) (p\sigma) (p\bar\sigma)}\xi ##

With relation 3.51 ## (p \sigma)(p\bar\sigma) = p^2 = m^2 ## it follows that this is zero, and similar for the second line.
 
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@Dr.AbeNikIanEdL how do I prove this identity (3.51)?

I mean we have: ##p^\mu \cdot \sigma^\mu p^\mu \cdot \bar{\sigma}^\mu = (E-p\cdot \sigma)(E+p\cdot \sigma) = E^2 - (p\cdot \sigma)^2=E^2 - \vec{p}^2 ##

Why is the last equality correct?
 
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@MathematicalPhysicist: $$(\vec \sigma \cdot \vec p)^2 = \sigma_i p_i \sigma_j p_j = \sigma_i \sigma_j p_i p_j = (2 \delta_{ij} - \sigma_j \sigma_i)p_i p_j = 2 \vec p^2 - (\vec \sigma \cdot \vec p)^2$$ Therefore ## (\vec\sigma \cdot \vec p)^2 = \vec p^2##
 
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