Quick conceptual question about Newton's Theory of Gravity

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the distance between the Earth and the Moon using Newton's theory of gravity, specifically focusing on whether the calculated distance 'r' accounts for the radii of the Earth and Moon or if it represents the distance between their centers of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation to calculate the distance between the Earth and the Moon, questioning whether 'r' includes the radius of the Moon.
  • Another participant asserts that 'r' represents the distance from the center of one mass to the center of the other, suggesting that the respective radii should be subtracted for surface distances.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant is interested in the distance between the centers of mass, confirming that 'r' does not need adjustment for the radii.
  • Further exchanges confirm understanding of the clarification regarding the centers of mass versus surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that 'r' represents the distance between the centers of mass of the Earth and the Moon, rather than the surfaces. There is no disagreement on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion assumes circular orbits and a stationary Earth, which may limit the applicability of the conclusions in different contexts.

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Let's say I wanted to calculate the distance between the Earth and the Moon (assuming that the system in question only includes the Earth and Moon, the Earth remains stationary**, and the Moon undergoes a circular orbit around the Earth and thus acts as a satellite). The relevant equation is:

r = ((G(Me)/(4*pi*pi))*(T^2)) ^ (1/3)

where G is the universal gravitation constant, Me is the mass of the Earth (the moon is a satellite and thus its mass doesn't matter in the equation), T is the moon's period about the Earth (27.3 days).

Does that value 'r' take into account the moon's radius? In other words, if I were asked, "What is the distance between the Earth and the Moon?', would my answer be 'r' or 'r + Re' where Re is the radius of the moon? My book doesn't clarify on this, and I want to make sure I understand the equation.

**The reason why I say the Earth remains stationary is that I had a homework problem (which I have already solved) that said that an asteroid heading toward the Earth had a given speed when it crossed the moon's orbit, and so for my energy conservation equations I needed the distance between the moon and the Earth (again, assuming circular orbits and that the Earth remains stationary).

Thanks.
 
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no r is from the center of the first mass to the center of the next, so you would have to subtract the respective radii
 
Sorry, I should've clarified that I would want the distance between the Earth and the Moon to include their center of masses (I don't want the distance simply between the surfaces). So the equation above for r does incorporate the center of masses, then (as in, to the question I posed above, my answer would just be 'r')?

Thanks.
 
If I am understanding you, yes, r is the distance between the centres NOT the surfaces.
 
Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
 
no problem!
 

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