Quick double integral question

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The problem involves finding the volume of the region R between two surfaces defined by the equations z = 4x^2 + 2y^2 and z = 3 + x^2 - y^2. The original poster explores the intersection of these surfaces and sets up a double integral to calculate the volume.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the intersection of the surfaces and set up the integral based on that. Some participants question the correctness of the integrand and suggest considering polar coordinates for simplification. Others clarify the nature of the surfaces involved and the implications for the integrand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the setup of the integral and exploring different approaches, including potential use of polar coordinates. There is some confusion regarding the correctness of the integrand, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note that there may be restrictions on using polar coordinates in the current context, which adds to the complexity of the problem. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the feedback received regarding their integrand.

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Homework Statement



Find the volume of the region R between the surfaces z = 4x^2 + 2y^2 \space and \space z = 3 + x^2 - y^2

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The Attempt at a Solution



Okay so I think I have an idea about how to do this one. First I check when the two surfaces intersect, that is when 4x^2 + 2y^2 = 3 + x^2 - y^2. So the two surfaces meet when x^2 + y^2 = 1 which is a circle of radius 1 with center (0,0).

So either x or y run from -1 to 1, it doesn't really matter which one I pick here I think, so I'll hold y fixed : -1 ≤ y ≤ 1

Now solving x^2 + y^2 = 1 for x yields x = ± \sqrt{1-y^2} as my upper and lower limits for x.

Now all that's left to figure out is... what is f? I believe intuitively that f will be the bigger surface minus the smaller surface. So subtracting my two surfaces I get : 3 + x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2 - 2y^2 = 3(1 - x^2 -y^2)

So that my iterated integral becomes :

\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{- \sqrt{1-y^2}}^{\sqrt{1-y^2}} 3(1 - x^2 -y^2) \space dxdy

Evaluating that shouldn't be a problem, I'm just hoping I did everything properly while setting it up. If anyone could clarify for me it would be great :)!
 
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Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



Find the volume of the region R between the surfaces z = 4x^2 + 2y^2 \space and \space z = 3 + x^2 - y^2

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Okay so I think I have an idea about how to do this one. First I check when the two surfaces intersect, that is when 4x^2 + 2y^2 = 3 + x^2 - y^2. So the two surfaces meet when x^2 + y^2 = 1 which is a circle of radius 1 with center (0,0).

So either x or y run from -1 to 1, it doesn't really matter which one I pick here I think, so I'll hold y fixed : -1 ≤ y ≤ 1

Now solving x^2 + y^2 = 1 for x yields x = ± \sqrt{1-y^2} as my upper and lower limits for x.

Now all that's left to figure out is... what is f? I believe intuitively that f will be the bigger surface minus the smaller surface. So subtracting my two surfaces I get : 3 + x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2 - 2y^2 = 3(1 - x^2 -y^2)
This looks OK. The surface z = 4x2 + 2y2 has a larger z value than the surface z = 3 + x2 - y2 for most points in the domain; namely all of the points that are outside the circle of intersection. The region you're interested in, though, is on or inside the circle. For this region, the second equation has the larger z values.
Zondrina said:
So that my iterated integral becomes :

\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{- \sqrt{1-y^2}}^{\sqrt{1-y^2}} 3(1 - x^2 -y^2) \space dxdy

Evaluating that shouldn't be a problem, I'm just hoping I did everything properly while setting it up. If anyone could clarify for me it would be great :)!

I think it would be much easier to convert to polar form. The circle simplifies to r = 1, and the integrand simplifies to 3(1 - r2).
 
f(x,y)=1-x2-y2 gives a [strike]sphere[/strike] paraboloid, you can use this to avoid integrals at all (and add the prefactor later). Otherwise, polar coordinates are useful.

Edit: Oh, missed the missing square root.
 
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I don't believe we're allowed to use polar coordinates yet ( wish I could ), but I would see why it would make things easier.

So my integrand is correct, but incorrect? A little confused with the feedback.
 
mfb said:
f(x,y)=1-x2-y2 gives a sphere
No, it doesn't. The graph of this function is a cone. If the equation were z2 = 1-x2-y2, then the graph would be a sphere.
mfb said:
, you can use this to avoid integrals at all (and add the prefactor later). Otherwise, polar coordinates are useful.
 
Zondrina said:
I don't believe we're allowed to use polar coordinates yet ( wish I could ), but I would see why it would make things easier.

So my integrand is correct, but incorrect? A little confused with the feedback.
I believe your integrand is correct. I don't believe anyone said it was incorrect.
 

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