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The discussion revolves around the different formulations of the Einstein field equations (EFE) in general relativity. Participants explore the variations in the equations, their components, and the implications of including constants such as the speed of light and the cosmological constant. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications regarding the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note multiple versions of the EFE, including variations with and without the cosmological constant, and question which is the "true" equation.
  • One participant asserts that all three versions are correct, explaining that the first is the standard EFE, the second includes a cosmological constant, and the third uses the Einstein tensor notation.
  • Another participant raises a question about the inclusion of the speed of light (c) in the second EFE and its implications for the equations.
  • It is mentioned that the sign on the right side of the first equation is related to the signature convention used in relativity, which distinguishes time from spatial dimensions.
  • There is a discussion about the common practice of setting constants like c and G to 1 for simplification in theoretical work, while retaining them can be useful for numerical calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation and formulation of the EFE, with no consensus reached on which version is the definitive one. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the different formulations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the use of different metric signatures in relativity, which affects the formulation of the equations. There are also mentions of assumptions regarding the constants c and G, which may not be explicitly stated in all versions of the equations.

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I have seen and read a few different versions of the Einstein field equations (EFE). For example; R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu}R = - 8\piGT_{\mu\nu} , R_{\mu\nu} - \frac{1}{2}g_{\mu\nu}R + g_{\mu\nu}\Lambda = \frac{8 \pi G}{c^4}T_{\mu\nu} , and 8\piT_{\mu\nu} = G_{\mu\nu}

So which one is the true equation?? And if you could explain why they're different that would be great!

Thanks,
Al
 
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Yes, and?

Also, LaTeX may be useful.

R_{\mu \nu} - \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} R = - 8 \pi G T_{\mu \nu}

Is written as:

Code:
[tex]R_{\mu \nu} - \frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} R = - 8 \pi G T_{\mu \nu}[/tex]

Though usually I think I've seen the right hand side as plus instead of minus.
 
All three are correct. The first is the normal EFE. The second is the EFE with a cosmological constant. So, the first is the second with a vanishing cosmological constant. In the third, the left side is written as the Einstein tensor. The left side of the EFE collectively describes the curvature of space-time, so that's what the Einstein tensor does. It's just a briefer notation.

EDIT: Also, in the last one, Newton's constant is set equal to 1 (the G on the right hand side in the other equations), to make the equation look nicer.
 
Thank you Mark M your answer is extremely helpful. But why is the speed of light (c) included in the second EFE with the cosmological constant?
 
Allojubrious said:
Thank you Mark M your answer is extremely helpful. But why is the speed of light (c) included in the second EFE with the cosmological constant?

That's the proper way to write it. Similar to the way the third equation set G = 1 so that it disappeared, the first and third equations set c = 1 so that it drops out of the equation.

Also, I forgot to mention why the first has a minus sign on the right. That's a consequence of the sign signature. In relativity, since time is treated as another dimension in space-time, it must be distinguished from the three dimensions of space. Either you make the time coordinate of the metric negative, so that the metric reads ds^{2} = -dt^{2} + dx^{2} + dy^{2} + dz^{2} or leave the time coordinate positive, and make spatial coordinates negative -ds^{2} = dt^{2} - dx^{2} - dy^{2} - dz^{2} this first is called the mostly plus signature (-+++) and the latter is called mostly minus (+---). The second equation is using a different signature than the other two.
 
That just means that that equation doesn't implicitly take c=1 or G=1. It's common in relativity to do both just to reduce the number of constants running around for theoretical work, but putting them back in can be useful when an actual numerical calculation is being performed.
 
R_{\mu\nu}-\dfrac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} R +\Lambda g_{\mu \nu} = \dfrac{8\pi G T_{\mu \nu}}{c^4}
 
Alright well thank you, that answers my questions! Thanks all!

Thanks,
Al
 

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