Quick question: x^2-y^2=16 (find x)

[sobergeek23]

Homework Statement

x^2-y^2=16
isolate the variable x

Homework Equations

square roots

The Attempt at a Solution

x^2=y^2+16

x=y+4?

 

[BvU]

Quick answer: No.
Because your $x^2 = (y+4)^2 \ne y^2+16$

 

[sobergeek23]

so what's the answer

 

[sobergeek23]

if i squared both sides it would just be the individual answer

 

[BvU]

What's the full problem statement ? 'Isolate' doesn't sound like a question with an answer ...

 

[sobergeek23]

that was the problem..it just said isolate the variable x..

 

[Mastermind01]

NO! This is a fundamental mistake. $\sqrt{a+b} \neq \sqrt{a} +\sqrt{b}$

 

[Mastermind01]

What's the full problem statement ? 'Isolate' doesn't sound like a question with an answer ...

Isolate probably means solve for x in terms of y.

 

[sobergeek23]

said something like it is understood to be positive or something like that

 

[sobergeek23]

we were solving equations where you square both sides

 

[BvU]

that was the problem..it just said isolate the variable x..

In that case you are done when you write $x^2 = y^2 + 16$ : it has x in isolation on the left hand side of the $=$ sign.

 

[sobergeek23]

it can't be a square

 

[Mastermind01]

it can't be a square

So the answer is just $x = \sqrt{y^2 + 16}$ NOT $y+4$

 

[BvU]

Rapid fire of posts from three sides ...

Ok, semantics: isolate means write it so that it says $x =$

What do you have to keep in mind when going from $x^2 = ...$ to $x = ...$ ?

 

[sobergeek23]

why doesn't that reduce?

 

[BvU]

So the answer is just $x = \sqrt{y^2 + 16}$ NOT $y+4$

Watch out MM ! PF hates direct answers. it ruins the learning experience

 

[sobergeek23]

learning experience means frustration and anger and deletion of account for me...

 

[Mastermind01]

why doesn't that reduce?

Let's keep it cool. What's $(a+b)^2$?

 

[sobergeek23]

a^2+b^2

 

[BvU]

why doesn't that reduce?

It does reduce, but you have to be careful...

learning experience means frustration and anger and deletion of account for me...

I recognise the frustration and anger. Don't get carried away, sit back and think a bit now and then before firing of another post and the 'deletion of account' may be replaced by 'satisfaction from deeper udnerstanding'

 

[Mastermind01]

a^2+b^2

NO. Let's multiply it out. $(a+b)(a+b)$ Do you know the distributive law of multiplication?

 

[G10rgos]

Let's take it step by step.
First things first, x² + y² is NOT equal to (x+y)²
That is because if we expand the second to (x+y)*(x+y) it's x*x + x*y + y*x + y*y which is equal to x²+2*x*y+y².
This is the basic calculus formula for quadratic equations, which are equations to the power of 2.
Now, x² + y² is not the same as (x+y)², using the rule above.
With another rule, we can expand x² - y² into this: (x-y)*(x+y), and to prove this we do the same as (x+y)*(x+y).
So: (x-y)*(x+y) is: x*x + x*y -y*x - y² (plus times minus equals minus).
Therefore: x² - y².
So, going forward to your question,
x² - y² = 16 is as follows:
x² = 16 + y²
x = √(16 + y²)

I hope I was able to shed some light for you.

 

[BvU]

Hello G10,

That has come by already and was chastized as giving a direct answer (and a wrong one to boot). Please be a bit more careful next time.

 

[sobergeek23]

NO. Let's multiply it out. $(a+b)(a+b)$ Do you know the distributive law of multiplication?

yea i got it..is it because the plus sign is in there?

 

[sobergeek23]

is it aginst forum policy to give out answers?

 

[sobergeek23]

NO. Let's multiply it out. $(a+b)(a+b)$ Do you know the distributive law of multiplication?

i couldn't find my other response but is it because the plus sign is there that we can't distribute the squared (x+y)^2 into x^2+y^2?

 

[BvU]

i couldn't find my other response but is it because the plus sign is there that we can't distribute the squared (x+y)^2 into x^2+y^2?

No. It is because it is not correct. Try a numerical example: (2+3) * (2+3)

 

[Ray Vickson]

is it aginst forum policy to give out answers?

Yes, absolutely. Helpers get reprimanded for doing it.

 

[BvU]

is it against forum policy to give out answers?

Very much so: there even are sanctions. For good reasons. We would get into trouble with teachers no end, for example.

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[BvU]

i couldn't find my other response but is it because the plus sign is there that we can't distribute the squared (x+y)^2 into x^2+y^2?

No. Because it isn't correct. Try e.g. (2+3)*(2+3) to see that.