Quickly Solve Determinants with this Matrix Trick

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The discussion revolves around calculating the determinant of a 4x4 matrix. Participants are exploring different methods to simplify the calculation process, particularly looking for a quicker approach than performing all individual calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's calculation method and inquire about the approach used. There is mention of using row and column operations to simplify the determinant, and questions arise regarding the signs in co-factor expansion.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to calculate the determinant, with some participants providing guidance on simplification techniques. Questions about the correctness of specific steps and assumptions are being raised, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

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Any help solving this determinant:

0 1 1 1
1 0 1 1
1 1 0 1
1 1 1 0

My calc says the answer is -3 but there is supposed to be a quicker way than doing all the individual calculations, I did all the calculations and got -3 but there is supposed to be a quicker way. Anyone?
 
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What way did you use?
 
a11a22a33a44
- a11a22a34a43
+ a11a23a34a42
- a11a23a32a44
+ a11a24a32a43
- a11a24a33a42
- a12a23a34a41
+ a12a23a31a44
- a12a24a31a43
+ a12a24a33a41
- a12a21a33a44
+ a12a21a34a43
+ a13a24a31a42
- a13a24a32a41
+ a13a21a32a44
- a13a21a34a42
+ a13a22a34a41
- a13a22a31a44
- a14a21a32a43
+ a14a21a33a42
- a14a22a33a41
+ a14a22a31a43
- a14a23a31a42
+ a14a23a32a41
 
You can use row and column operations to simplify the determinant. For example,

R2 --> R2 - R3
R3 --> R3 - R4

This makes the first column 0 0 0 1.
 
I get:

0 1 1 1
0 -1 1 0
0 0 -1 1
1 1 1 0

which then a co-factor expansion would give:

0+0+0+0+1*determinant of

1 1 1
-1 1 0
0 -1 1

wheres the -1 come from cause i get an answer of 3? is it supposed to be 0+0+0+0-1?
 
Derill03 said:
is it supposed to be 0+0+0+0-1?

Yes.
 
Don't forget that the equation for the co-factor expansion includes the term (-1)^{i+j} where i is the row and j is the column.

In this case, i = 4 and j = 1, so this term is (-1)^{4+1} = (-1)^5 = -1.
 

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