Radiation and penetrability of materials

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The discussion revolves around the ability to calculate the penetrability of beta radiation through various materials, specifically in the context of using a cloud chamber. Participants explore the necessary parameters for such calculations, including the energy of beta particles and the properties of shielding materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the calculations needed to determine if beta decay from a source can penetrate a material of a certain thickness, suggesting the need for average energy values and material penetrability.
  • Another participant asserts that beta radiation can be stopped by almost any solid material, including human skin, implying that typical shielding should suffice.
  • Several participants share links to external resources that may assist in understanding the calculations and concepts related to radiation penetrability.
  • A participant expresses a desire for more resources that explain the units and calculations in detail.
  • One participant shifts the topic to alpha particles, discussing the use of mass-energy equivalence to calculate kinetic energy during decay processes, indicating a potential confusion in the original topic.
  • A later reply acknowledges a realization of theoretical gaps in their understanding, suggesting uncertainty in their approach to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that beta radiation can be effectively stopped by solid materials, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or methodologies needed to quantify this penetrability. Some participants express uncertainty and confusion regarding the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific energy values and material properties, but these assumptions remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the complexities of calculating energy release in decay processes, which may not directly relate to the original question about beta radiation.

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Is it possible to calculate whether or not beta decay from a given beta-source can penetrate a material of a certain thickness? I'm thinking something along the lines of first calculating the average eV of the decay (What do you need to know about the source to do this?), and then looking up/calculating the penetrability of the shielding material per millimetre. I imagine the end theoretical product to be in the following format:

This beta source emits beta particles with an average energy of x eV each. The shielding material has a penetrability of y KeV/mm. Given the thickness of the material in my experiment, the beta decay with x eV will therefore not penetrate the layer of shielding material.

These calculations do not need to be super accurate; I just want to put my cloud chamber to good use.
 
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Do you need more information to answer my question, or did I place this in the wrong section?
 
Beta radiation should be stopped by almost anything solid. Even your skin, which is only mm's thick, will stop Beta radiation. Unless you have some materiel that is just ridiculously thin you should be fine.
 
QuantumPion said:
I googled around a bit and came up with two useful links that may help you:

http://health.phys.iit.edu/extended_archive/0205/msg00176.html

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~scdiroff/lds/QuantumRelativity/PenetrationandShielding/PenetrationandShielding.html

Thank you very much. Those links are definitely useful.

Drakkith said:
Beta radiation should be stopped by almost anything solid. Even your skin, which is only mm's thick, will stop Beta radiation. Unless you have some materiel that is just ridiculously thin you should be fine.

Righto, I would just like to be able calculate this. :biggrin:

If anyone has more sites that explain the units and the math step-by-step, please, don't hesitate from sharing.
 
SmileyMan said:
Thank you very much. Those links are definitely useful.



Righto, I would just like to be able calculate this. :biggrin:

If anyone has more sites that explain the units and the math step-by-step, please, don't hesitate from sharing.

Ah ok.
 
When calculating the kinetic energy of an alpha particle I use the mass-energy equivalence. First I find the difference in mass between mmother particle and (mdaughter particle + malpha particle), then by inserting this into Einstein's formula I can calculate how much energy is released in the decay-process. I assume that this quantity has to be split between the daughter particle and the alpha particle, seeing as they both gain kinetic energy in the decay-process. How is this done?
 
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Right, I don't know how I could miss this sub-section when deciding where to place my thread. My apologies.
 
Never mind this topic. I just realized that there are some pretty big theoretical holes in my attempts.
 

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