Radiation from microwave ovens

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of microwave radiation in microwave ovens, particularly focusing on whether any radiation escapes when the door is opened. Participants explore analogies to light, the reflective properties of the oven's walls, and the timing of door operation in relation to radiation absorption.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when a microwave oven is opened, no radiation escapes, referencing a common analogy that microwave radiation behaves like light in terms of absorption.
  • One participant questions the analogy, suggesting that if the walls reflect microwave radiation, it is akin to a light source in a room of mirrors, where light would not be instantly absorbed.
  • Another participant argues that the time it takes to open the door is sufficient for microwaves to be absorbed, even in an empty oven, and notes that the oven is not 100% reflective.
  • A participant proposes a calculation involving the reflection of microwaves and the time it would take for them to dissipate, questioning the speed of opening the door.
  • One participant emphasizes the speed of light and microwaves, suggesting that even with high reflectivity, radiation would dissipate very quickly, within fractions of a second.
  • Another participant provides a calculation based on the dimensions of a microwave and the reflection rate, concluding that the remaining radiation would be negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of microwave reflection and absorption, with multiple competing views on whether any radiation escapes when the door is opened. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference assumptions about the reflectivity of surfaces and the timing of door operation, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon, leading to varying conclusions.

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Everybody seems to agree that when a microwave oven is opened, no radiation escapes. On a different thread, somebody said: "Microwave radiation is like light: it absorbs quickly into objects after the source is turned off." This analogy to light is often used to explain why no microwave radiation escapes when the door is opened.
But if I have understood correctly, the walls of the microwave oven almost completely reflect microwave radiation. So the equivalent thing would be would a light source within a room of mirrors. Where the light would of course not be instantly absorbed.
Say that we had an empty oven and we open it, wouldn´t the radiation that had not been absorbed by walls and magnetron escape through the open door?
 
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If you turn off a light bulb in a room full of mirrors and open the door a second later, do you still see the light?
 
The radiation is absorbed in the realm of a tiny tiny fraction of a second. If you just hit the button to open the door while the microwave is running, the time it takes for the mechanism to actually open the door is long enough for any microwaves to be absorbed by the oven and food. Even empty the oven is not 100% reflective.
 
gudny said:
Everybody seems to agree that when a microwave oven is opened, no radiation escapes. On a different thread, somebody said: "Microwave radiation is like light: it absorbs quickly into objects after the source is turned off." This analogy to light is often used to explain why no microwave radiation escapes when the door is opened.
But if I have understood correctly, the walls of the microwave oven almost completely reflect microwave radiation. So the equivalent thing would be would a light source within a room of mirrors. Where the light would of course not be instantly absorbed.
Say that we had an empty oven and we open it, wouldn´t the radiation that had not been absorbed by walls and magnetron escape through the open door?
What is "almost" here? Whatever it is, use that number and calculate how many times it has to reflect to fade into the background. Then, use the speed of light and the size of the microwave to figure out how long it would take. Is it possible to open the door that fast?
 
gudny said:
Say that we had an empty oven and we open it, wouldn´t the radiation that had not been absorbed by walls and magnetron escape through the open door?
Sure, but you are grossly underestimating
1] just how fast light and microwaves move, and
2] just how reflective any surface can be

Even if the walls could reflect a thousand times, the radiation would all be dissipated in less than 3/100,000ths of a second.
 
Google tells me that even if we assume a 0.5 m wide microwave, and 1 millisecond for time to open door, the microwaves will be reflected 599,585 times.

https://www.google.com/search?&q=c+*0.001s+/+0.5m

Assuming 99.99% reflection that gives:
.9999599585 = 9 x 10-25%

Not a whole lot, even with very generous estimates.
 

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