Radius of Convergence: Why 1/ln(x) Doesn't Converge

  • Thread starter rootX
  • Start date
In summary: Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ diverges}\\ & = 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ might converge or diverge} \end{align*} Try the root test:
  • #1
rootX
479
4
If derivative of 1/ln(x), which is -1/(x*ln(x)^2), converges
why then 1/ln(x) does not converge?

According to some theorem that I learned, differentiating does not change the radius of convergence and hence neither its convergence or divergence.

Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
What are you talking about? Are you talking about a series, a sequence, integral, I have no idea. Also, it would help if you actually stated the theorem.
 
  • #3
rootX said:
If derivative of 1/ln(x), which is -1/(x*ln(x)^2), converges
why then 1/ln(x) does not converge?

According to some theorem that I learned, differentiating does not change the radius of convergence and hence neither its convergence or divergence.

Thanks.

Nah, there's no such thing like convergence of a function. A function is either defined, or undefined at some value.

Seeing that you mention radius of convergence in your post, are you talking about power series?
 
  • #4
Yes, I was talking about power series. I was referring to The Term-by-Term Integration Theorem, ... (and other related ones_)
I been so much into this stuff that I forgot that there's a summation sign that goes in the front.

Thanks.
 
  • #5
rootX said:
Yes, I was talking about power series. I was referring to The Term-by-Term Integration Theorem, ... (and other related ones_)
I been so much into this stuff that I forgot that there's a summation sign that goes in the front.

Thanks.

=.=" Still not really sure what's troubling you. Is that the series concepts which confuse you, or you are not sure about convergent, and divergent tests, or.. what?

The first post doesn't make much sense to me, though. :(

If you are not sure about what troubles you, either. Then I suggest you spend some times, re-reading the whole chapter on series from the beginning thoroughly. Series is a pretty hard concept to grasp.

When everything gets a bit clearer, and you're pretty sure which parts confuse you. You can post it here, and we may help. :)
 
  • #6
rootX said:
If derivative of 1/ln(x), which is -1/(x*ln(x)^2), converges
why then 1/ln(x) does not converge?

According to some theorem that I learned, differentiating does not change the radius of convergence and hence neither its convergence or divergence.

Thanks.

?? The Taylor series for both 1/ln(x) and -1/(x ln(x)^2), about x= 1, converge with radius of convergence 1.
 
  • #7
How about:

(1)sum (from n=2 to inf): 1/ln(n) ... diverges because 1/ln(n) >1/n and by comparison test this diverges
(2)and sum (from n=2 to inf) = 1/(n*(ln n)^2) ... converges because it's integral limit is 1/ln(2) (so -1/(n*(ln(n))^2) also converges which is derivative of 1/ln(n))

Am I missing something?
And, I just remembered reading in the book that the theorem I mentioned above applies only to power series but 1/ln(n) is not a power series.
I think I got it:
(1) There is no radius of converges thing defined for non-power series but I was using it everywhere
(2) theorems for power series (like R stays same) do not apply to non-power series.

So, am I on right track now?
 
  • #8
rootX said:
So, am I on right track now?

Yes.
 
  • #9
You told us before you were talking about power series, and finally you tell us you really meant sum of ln(n)?
 
  • #10
somehow, I was thinking that there's no difference between sum of ln(n) and power series ><...
 
  • #11
Another Question:

sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(3k+1) / (2k+1) converges?

I know sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(k) / (2k+1) converges
but sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(2k) / (2k+1) not converges

so how should I deal with such situations where I cannot say that the series is alternating, but it has same form?
I just found that even*odd = even and odd*odd = odd

so it does not matter whether it is:
sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(7k) / (2k+1) or sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(9k+2) / (2k+1)
the series is similar to sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(k) / (2k+1) ??

I think I pretty much got it but I got the answer while I was typing this question, so can you assure me that I have got the right answer?
 
  • #12
rootX said:
Another Question:

sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(3k+1) / (2k+1) converges?

Try the root test:

[tex]
\begin{align*}
\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n & < 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ converges}\\
& > 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ diverges}\\
& = 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ might converge or diverge}
\end{align*}
[/tex]
 
  • #13
foxjwill said:
Try the root test:

[tex]
\begin{align*}
\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n & < 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ converges}\\
& > 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ diverges}\\
& = 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ might converge or diverge}
\end{align*}
[/tex]

What is an that you are talking about? It doesn't seem no where near a root test to me. :(

rootX said:
Another Question:

sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(3k+1) / (2k+1) converges?

If a series converge, then its terms (an) tend to 0.

(Notice that, this is a one way statement, the other way round is not correct, i.e, if its term tends to 0, the series can also be divergent, e.g [tex]\sum_{n = 1} ^ {\infty} \frac{1}{n}[/tex] diverge, whereas 1/n ~~> 0)

The other equivalent statement is:

If a series' terms don't tend to 0, then the series diverge.

From here, what can you say about the series, is it convergent, or divergent?

I know sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(k) / (2k+1) converges
but sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(2k) / (2k+1) not converges

so how should I deal with such situations where I cannot say that the series is alternating, but it has same form?
I just found that even*odd = even and odd*odd = odd

so it does not matter whether it is:
sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(7k) / (2k+1) or sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(9k+2) / (2k+1)
the series is similar to sum (k=0:inf) (-1)^(k) / (2k+1) ??

Those are all anternating series. ^^!

You can check it. If 7k is odd, then 7(k + 1) is even; if 7k is even, then 7(k + 1) is odd, blah blah..

I think I pretty much got it but I got the answer while I was typing this question, so can you assure me that I have got the right answer?

Yup, sometimes, re-reading books proves to help quite a lot. See? :)
 
  • #14
VietDao29 said:
What is an that you are talking about? It doesn't seem no where near a root test to me. :(



If a series converge, then its terms (an) tend to 0.

(Notice that, this is a one way statement, the other way round is not correct, i.e, if its term tends to 0, the series can also be divergent, e.g [tex]\sum_{n = 1} ^ {\infty} \frac{1}{n}[/tex] diverge, whereas 1/n ~~> 0)

The other equivalent statement is:

If a series' terms don't tend to 0, then the series diverge.

From here, what can you say about the series, is it convergent, or divergent?



Those are all anternating series. ^^!

You can check it. If 7k is odd, then 7(k + 1) is even; if 7k is even, then 7(k + 1) is odd, blah blah..



Yup, sometimes, re-reading books proves to help quite a lot. See? :)

Sorry. I meant
[tex]
\begin{align*}
\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_n)^{1/n} & < 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ converges}\\
& > 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ diverges}\\
& = 1 \Rightarrow \sum a_n \mbox{ might converge or diverge}
\end{align*}
[/tex]
 
  • #15
Thanks a lot ;)

but, I wonder if I really need a root test here (You can simply use AST)
 

Related to Radius of Convergence: Why 1/ln(x) Doesn't Converge

1. What does the radius of convergence measure?

The radius of convergence measures the distance from the center of a power series to the point where the series either converges or diverges.

2. How is the radius of convergence calculated?

The radius of convergence is calculated using the ratio test, which involves taking the limit of the absolute value of the ratio of consecutive terms in the series.

3. Why doesn't 1/ln(x) converge?

The function 1/ln(x) does not have a finite radius of convergence because it has an infinite number of singularities or poles along the real axis. This means that the function oscillates infinitely and does not converge to a single value.

4. Can the radius of convergence be negative?

No, the radius of convergence can only be a positive number. It represents a distance and cannot be negative.

5. How does the radius of convergence affect the convergence of a series?

The radius of convergence determines the values of x for which the series will converge. If x is within the radius of convergence, the series will converge. If x is outside the radius of convergence, the series will diverge.

Similar threads

  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
383
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
34
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
565
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
804
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
822
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
6K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
309
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
269
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
455
Back
Top