Radius of curvature of steel rod under stress

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the radius of curvature of a steel rod under stress in a mechanical system involving two steel rods acting as rails for a platform. Participants explore how the applied forces affect the curvature and deflection of the rods, considering specific cases such as the platform's position near the ends or in the middle of the rods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a free body diagram (FBD) and Castigliano's theorem to analyze deflections and curvature, indicating a method to derive relationships between forces and deflections.
  • Another participant questions whether the focus should be on the radius of curvature or the midspan deflection, clarifying the distribution of forces on the rods.
  • It is proposed that the midspan deflection is a linear function of the applied loads, with specific values provided for deflections when the platform is at different positions.
  • Concerns are raised about the induced axial tension in the rods during bending, with one participant suggesting it may be negligible unless special requirements exist.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin tackling the problem, indicating a need for further clarification on the calculations involved.
  • Another participant provides specific deflection values for the midspan position and the end position of the platform, while also discussing the implications for the platform's angle to horizontal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the primary interest is in the radius of curvature or the midspan deflection. There are multiple competing views on the significance of axial tension and the methods for calculating deflections.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the linearity of deflections and the neglect of axial tension, which may not apply in all scenarios. The discussion also highlights the dependency on the specific configuration of the mechanical system.

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Hi,

I have a problem which you guys probably could help me solve or at least advise how to approach.

I am building a mechanical system that consists of 2 steel rods acting as rails and a platform that travels along. I need to find radius of curvature of a steel rod under stress to see by how much platform might go down.

The diagram kind of has the info, this is a static problem. Points A and B of course moving along the rod but the distance between them is constant. Two forces applied are equal. I have stated initial value of 50 N, but it would be useful to get idea on radius of curvature as function of force (but this is a later issue).

It will probably be sufficient to look at specific cases:

1. Platform near one end
2. Platform in the middle

I would really appreciate any advice.
 

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First off, draw a FBD and solve for the reaction forces. Then, you can apply Castigliano's theorem to solve for deflections at any point. Now, you can then either take a bunch of deflections and spline/fit a curve to them in a region you care about, or you can try to use Castigliano's to get a relationship between your dummy force's position and the deflection so you can get an equation out of it, then solve for curvature at a point.
 
timthereaper said:
First off, draw a FBD and solve for the reaction forces. Then, you can apply Castigliano's theorem to solve for deflections at any point. Now, you can then either take a bunch of deflections and spline/fit a curve to them in a region you care about, or you can try to use Castigliano's to get a relationship between your dummy force's position and the deflection so you can get an equation out of it, then solve for curvature at a point.

Thanks for the reply, timthereaper. I will have a long "before bed" think about it tonight. I think my main problem lies in the second end being fixed as well, which introduces tension in the rod during bending. To be honest I have no clue how to even begin to tackle this. :smile:
 
n00beng: Are you really interested in the radius of curvature of the steel rod, as you said in post 1? Or are you instead interested in midspan deflection of each steel rod?

Because there are two steels rods, half of F1 = 50 N, and half of F2 = 50 N, will go to each steel rod, which, on one steel rod, will be 25 N at point A, and 25 N at point B, correct? Is this what you intended, in post 1?

If so, then when your platform centerline (point C) is located at the steel rod (beam) midspan, the beam midspan deflection will be y2 = 0.261 mm, downward.

(The induced axial tension you mentioned is essentially negligible. I currently would recommend ignoring it, unless you have a very special requirement that requires it, in which case it would make the problem much more complicated.)

Regarding item 1 in post 1, when your platform is at one end of the beam, then the beam midspan deflection will be y1 = 0.261 mm, downward (the same as when the platform centerline is located at the beam midspan).

These deflections are a linear function of the applied loads. Therefore, if you, e.g., double both F1 and F2, then it will double y1 and y2.
 
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nvn said:
n00beng: Are you really interested in the radius of curvature of the steel rod, as you said in post 1? Or are you instead interested in midspan deflection of each steel rod?

Because there are two steels rods, half of F1 = 50 N, and half of F2 = 50 N, will go to each steel rod, which, on one steel rod, will be 25 N at point A, and 25 N at point B, correct? Is this what you intended, in post 1?

If so, then when your platform centerline (point C) is located at the steel rod (beam) midspan, the beam midspan deflection will be y2 = 0.261 mm, downward.

(The induced axial tension you mentioned is essentially negligible. I currently would recommend ignoring it, unless you have a very special requirement that requires it, in which case it would make the problem much more complicated.)

Regarding item 1 in post 1, when your platform is at one end of the beam, then the beam midspan deflection will be y1 = 0.261 mm, downward (the same as when the platform centerline is located at the beam midspan).

These deflections are a linear function of the applied loads. Therefore, if you, e.g., double both F1 and F2, then it will double y1 and y2.

Thank you, nvn. Could you please state in brief how you calculated it.

Effectively I am interested by how much the platform goes down. If it goes down considerably (~> 1 mm) then I would also need to calculate the angle to horizontal of platform. This can be done quite easily knowing rad. of curvature or midspan deflection. 50N is the weight already halved between 2 rods so the answer (based on yours) is y = 0.522 mm.
 

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