Ramp, block, and elastic potential energy

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The discussion focuses on calculating the spring constant (k) for a block released from a compressed spring on a ramp. The initial compression of the spring is 0.4 m, and the block travels 0.9 m before stopping, with a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.8. The calculations involve elastic potential energy, gravitational potential energy, and work done against friction. The derived spring constant is approximately 271 N/m, but the expected answer is 260 N/m, indicating a potential error in the gravitational potential energy calculation.

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Homework Statement



The spring in the figure below is initially compressed by 0.4 m in the position shown. If released from this position, block A travels 0.9 m before coming to a stop. The kinetic coefficient of friction is 0.8. What is the spring constant? (The spring is not fastened to block A)

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Homework Equations



Elastic potential energy=0.5kx^2
Work=Fd

The Attempt at a Solution



The force of gravity acting on the block=9.81*4=39.24 N

The force of gravity acting on the block parallel to the ramp=sin(10°)*39.24=6.81 N

The force of gravity acting on the block perpendicular to the ramp=cos(10°)*39.2=38.64 N, which is also what the normal force is equal to.

Force of friction=38.64*0.8=30.91 N

Elastic potential energy=(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)

The block will gain kinetic energy from the elastic potential energy + the gravitational potential energy, and lose an amount equal to that (since it stops) due to friction, so:

elastic potential energy+gravitational potential energy=energy lost to friction
(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)+(6.81)(0.9)=(30.91)(0.9)
k≈271

However, the answer I'm given is k=260. I'm not sure if this is a typo, rounding error, or if I'm doing something wrong. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?
 
Steely Dan said:
You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?

I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J
 
Try solving it smply.

Work done on the box = Change in K.E
 
fereas said:
I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J

My apologies. I saw no sin(10) in the last line and assumed you had overlooked it. The work looks correct to me otherwise.
 

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