Ramp, block, and elastic potential energy

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block on a ramp that is released from a compressed spring. The task is to determine the spring constant based on the block's motion and energy transformations, considering the effects of friction and gravitational forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of gravitational potential energy and its relation to the block's motion along the ramp. There are questions about the vertical height change as the block travels 0.9 m along the surface.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on identifying potential errors in the gravitational potential energy calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the forces acting on the block and the energy transformations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the coefficient of friction and the geometry of the ramp, as well as the initial conditions of the spring's compression. There is uncertainty regarding the exact vertical height change associated with the block's travel distance.

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Homework Statement



The spring in the figure below is initially compressed by 0.4 m in the position shown. If released from this position, block A travels 0.9 m before coming to a stop. The kinetic coefficient of friction is 0.8. What is the spring constant? (The spring is not fastened to block A)

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Homework Equations



Elastic potential energy=0.5kx^2
Work=Fd

The Attempt at a Solution



The force of gravity acting on the block=9.81*4=39.24 N

The force of gravity acting on the block parallel to the ramp=sin(10°)*39.24=6.81 N

The force of gravity acting on the block perpendicular to the ramp=cos(10°)*39.2=38.64 N, which is also what the normal force is equal to.

Force of friction=38.64*0.8=30.91 N

Elastic potential energy=(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)

The block will gain kinetic energy from the elastic potential energy + the gravitational potential energy, and lose an amount equal to that (since it stops) due to friction, so:

elastic potential energy+gravitational potential energy=energy lost to friction
(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)+(6.81)(0.9)=(30.91)(0.9)
k≈271

However, the answer I'm given is k=260. I'm not sure if this is a typo, rounding error, or if I'm doing something wrong. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?
 
Steely Dan said:
You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?

I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J
 
Try solving it smply.

Work done on the box = Change in K.E
 
fereas said:
I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J

My apologies. I saw no sin(10) in the last line and assumed you had overlooked it. The work looks correct to me otherwise.
 

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