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The discussion revolves around a variety of topics, beginning with the reopening of a thread on the Physics Forums. Participants express relief at the continuation of the conversation and share light-hearted banter about past threads. There are inquiries about quoting from previous threads and discussions about job opportunities for friends. The conversation shifts to humorous takes on mathematics, particularly the concept of "Killing vector fields," which one participant humorously critiques as dangerous. Participants also share personal anecdotes, including experiences with power outages and thoughts on teaching at university. The tone remains casual and playful, with discussions about the challenges of winter, the joys of friendship, and even a few jokes about life experiences. The thread captures a blend of humor, personal stories, and light philosophical musings, all while maintaining a sense of community among the forum members.
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WWGD said:
And it becomes confusing because sometimes people switch in their usage between technical and colloquial within the same conversation, but they don't make it clear in what sense they are using their words, in the informal sense or in a formal/rigorous sense. It can become really confusing. It is an art to navigate between the two, and few are good at it.
I always got to hold on me when I hear the words: almost always, or if they conclude ##(A⇒B)⇒(\bar{A} ⇒ \bar{B})##, which is very popular among politicians. The tiny word 'smooth' is difficult to hear, as well, at least to me.
 
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WWGD said:
Yes, and in this case it is first used colloquially, as in everyday language and then it is used in its more formal way. So I think it does fall into that category of equivocation. Like one I hear or read a while back: "My Achilles heel is not my Achilles heel" , with the first one used figuratively and the second one used literally, as in the body part. Without explanation, it seems like a contradiction: A is not A..
I disagree. People who say, "Evolution is just a theory," aren't jumping from one definition to another, from rigorous to casual. They actually just don't have a good rigorous definition at their disposal.

For my money, Karl Popper gave the first rigorous parameters for what should be considered a theory:

Karl Popper described the characteristics of a scientific theory as follows:[5]

  1. It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory—if we look for confirmations.
  2. Confirmations should count only if they are the result of risky predictions; that is to say, if, unenlightened by the theory in question, we should have expected an event which was incompatible with the theory—an event which would have refuted the theory.
  3. Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is.
  4. A theory which is not refutable by any conceivable event is non-scientific. Irrefutability is not a virtue of a theory (as people often think) but a vice.
  5. Every genuine test of a theory is an attempt to falsify it, or to refute it. Testability is falsifiability; but there are degrees of testability: some theories are more testable, more exposed to refutation, than others; they take, as it were, greater risks.
  6. Confirming evidence should not count except when it is the result of a genuine test of the theory; and this means that it can be presented as a serious but unsuccessful attempt to falsify the theory. (I now speak in such cases of "corroborating evidence".)
  7. Some genuinely testable theories, when found to be false, are still upheld by their admirers—for example by introducing ad hoc some auxiliary assumption, or by reinterpreting the theory ad hoc in such a way that it escapes refutation. Such a procedure is always possible, but it rescues the theory from refutation only at the price of destroying, or at least lowering, its scientific status.
Popper summarized these statements by saying that the central criterion of the scientific status of a theory is its "falsifiability, or refutability, or testability."[5] Echoing this,Stephen Hawking states, "A theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations." He also discusses the "unprovable but falsifiable" nature of theories, which is a necessary consequence of inductive logic, and that "you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."[42]
 
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fresh_42 said:
I always got to hold on me when I hear the words: almost always, or if they conclude ##(A⇒B)⇒(\bar{A} ⇒ \bar{B})##, which is very popular among politicians.
Ah yes, the old modus bonehead. (In contrapositive form).
 
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  • #3,304
zoobyshoe said:
For my money, Karl Popper gave the first rigorous parameters for what should be considered a theory:
Unfortunately Sir Charles isn't very popular.
 
  • #3,305
dkotschessaa said:
Not to mention well intentioned but misguided advice like "don't eat something if you can't pronounce the ingredients!"

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I know some people who need to see this graphic...
 
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fresh_42 said:
I always got to hold on me when I hear the words: almost always, or if they conclude ##(A⇒B)⇒(\bar{A} ⇒ \bar{B})##, which is very popular among politicians.
Related: the Thatcherite Syllogism:

1. Something must be done.
2. This is something.
3. Therefore, this must be done.
 
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Here there exist only and exact three arguments on the side of administration employees:
1. If that everybody would do, ...
2. We've always done it this way ...
3. I have my rules. Alternatively: There is a sign which says it.
It's amazing what people find in order to avoid thinking on their own.
 
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dkotschessaa said:
Prepare for very gentle butt whoopings!
This may be a little too graphic for the mentors. If so, please remove with my apologies.
Anyway, my daughter posted this on her schools FB page for the not so gentle butt whoopings.
 
  • #3,309
zoobyshoe said:
I disagree. People who say, "Evolution is just a theory," aren't jumping from one definition to another, from rigorous to casual. They actually just don't have a good rigorous definition at their disposal.

<Snip>:

Of course, I was referring to the fact that even when people are being honest, it can be confusing to understand them, because they may be switching in-and-out between informal and formal talking modes. Of course, when someone is being dishonest, all bets are off.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Here there exist only and exact three arguments on the side of administration employees:
1. If that everybody would do, ...
2. We've always done it this way ...
3. I have my rules. Alternatively: There is a sign which says it.
It's amazing what people find in order to avoid thinking on their own.

That may just be the transactional-type leadership which may be in its last breaths in the modern world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_leadership. EDIT: Although there are combinations of transactional and transformational.
 
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Why do fat, old, and ugly people laugh a lot? Is it because they are so happy being fat, old, and ugly? I think not. I think by laughing a lot they are trying to distract you from noticing that they are fat, old, or ugly :oldeyes:
 
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DiracPool said:
Why do fat, old, and ugly people laugh a lot? Is it because they are so happy being fat, old, and ugly? I think not. I think by laughing a lot they are trying to distract you from noticing that they are fat, old, or ugly :oldeyes:

Are you referring to people who are all three? Where can you find em/ how do you run into so many of them?
 
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It's not unknown for thin young pretty people to laugh a lot as well.
 
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rootone said:
It's not unknown for thin young pretty people to laugh a lot as well.
Except for bulimic models, I guess.
 
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WWGD said:
Except for bulimic models, I guess.
Nope. Even they can laugh a lot. Experienced it.
 
  • #3,316
fresh_42 said:
Nope. Even they can laugh a lot. Experienced it.
Guess you hang out with the hip crowd; I am more of a loner, I guess.
 
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WWGD said:
Guess you hang out with the hip crowd; I am more of a loner, I guess.
Nope. I once had a friend in a clinic where they treated eating disorders. It wasn't hip, just kind of normal. (If you knew my actual time right now ... guess I'm a loner, too.)
 
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fresh_42 said:
Nope. I once had a friend in a clinic where they treated eating disorders. It wasn't hip, just kind of normal. (If you knew my actual time right now ... guess I'm a loner, too.)
Maybe you're right, there may be more of those around than one suspects. I guess in many countries being into science and Math may make you an outsider.
 
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fresh_42 said:
guess I'm a loner, too.
Which may not be a BAD thing...
 
  • #3,320
dlgoff said:
Which may not be a BAD thing...
Maybe we are all loners, here in PF -- the largest community of loners around.
 
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WWGD said:
Maybe we are all loners, here in PF -- the largest community of loners around.
Thank goodness for PF!
 
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dlgoff said:
Thank goodness for PF!
What really is amazing are our actual physical locations. Talking simultaneously to people literally around the globe, sharing basically the same thoughts, that's something my grandma wouldn't have believed. No way.
 
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WWGD said:
Are you referring to people who are all three? Where can you find em/ how do you run into so many of them?

Yes, I am talking about my wife and my two mistresses: one is fat, one is old, and one is ugly.

And, to answer your second question, I didn't find them, somehow, tragically, they found me :oldgrumpy:
 
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fresh_42 said:
What really is amazing are our actual physical locations. Talking simultaneously to people literally around the globe, sharing basically the same thoughts, that's something my grandma wouldn't have believed. No way.
Sometimes it's hard for me to believe. Science SHOULD bring the world together; IMO. :bow:
 
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DiracPool said:
Yes, I am talking about my wife and my two mistresses: one is fat, one is old, and one is ugly.

<Snip>:oldgrumpy:
Maybe they started laughing when they saw what each other looked like?
 
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dlgoff said:
Sometimes it's hard for me to believe. Science SHOULD bring the world together; IMO. :bow:
And it makes a lot more fun to argue at the chalkboard.
 
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I've just read that dkotschessaa wants to hold a lecture on knot theory. As a student I once visited a casino with two friends of mine whose special subject was knot theory. I was the only one who could bind the ties which were mandatory ...
 
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fresh_42 said:
I've just read that dkotschessaa wants to hold a lecture on knot theory. As a student I once visited a casino with two friends of mine whose special subject was knot theory. I was the only one who could bind the ties which were mandatory ...
I have always wanted to understand why knots are always codimension-two.
 
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DiracPool said:
...
And, to answer your second question, I didn't find them, somehow, tragically, they found me :oldgrumpy:
:DD

LuckBeInTheAirTonight.jpg
 
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WWGD said:
Maybe we are all loners, here in PF -- the largest community of loners around.
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