Random variable and probability density function

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivation of specific equations related to random variables and their probability density functions (pdfs). Participants are examining the relationships between different variables and their corresponding pdfs, particularly in the context of transformations of random variables.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the notation and definitions related to the probability density function f_y(y) and its relationship to other variables. There are questions about the derivation of equations 3.69 and 3.69A, as well as the connection between the original function y=cos(α+θ) and the probability expressions. Some participants are exploring the implications of transformations of random variables and the conditions under which certain equations apply.

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The problem is about continuous random variable and probability density function.
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Hi,

I was trying to solve the attached problem which shows its solution as well. I cannot understand how and where they are getting the equations 3.69 and 3.69A from.

Are they substituting the values of θ₁ and θ₂ into Expression 1 after performing the differentiation to get equations 3.70 and 3.71?

As you can see that the solution is there but I need to understand it. I'd really appreciate if you could help me with it. Thank you!

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I am not familiar with the notation
f_y(y)
I see it is a function with variable y, but what does y in ##f_y## mean ? It seems ##f_y(y)## is defined somewhere before the problem in your text.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
I am not familiar with the notation
f_y(y)
I see it is a function with variable y, but what does y in ##f_y## mean ? It seems ##f_y(y)## is defined somewhere before the problem in your text.
It means probability density function of 'f()' where "Y" is a random variable and "y" is a dummy variable, i.e. f_Y(y).
 
Thanks. So I observe correspondence of areas for distribution of y and ##\theta## as attached.

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My apologies but I still don't get how and where they are getting the equations 3.69 and 3.69A from.
 
f_y(y)dy = f_\theta(\theta) d\theta|_{\theta_1}+f_\theta(\theta) d\theta|_{\theta_2} or more strictly on sign
f_y(y)|dy| = f_\theta(\theta) |d\theta||_{\theta_1}+f_\theta(\theta) |d\theta||_{\theta_2}
Divide the both sides by |dy|.
 
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What is f_\theta(\theta) d\theta and where does this come from? I don't see its connection with the original function y=cos(α+θ). Could you please help?
 
f_\theta(\theta)\ d\theta|_{\theta_1}
is probability of ##\theta## to take value ## [\ \theta_1-\frac{1}{2} d\theta,\ \theta_1+ \frac{1}{2}d\theta\ ]##
It comes from the graph of y-##\theta## correspondence as I have attached.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
f_\theta(\theta)\ d\theta|_{\theta_1}
is probability of ##\theta## to take value ## [\ \theta_1-\frac{1}{2} d\theta,\ \theta_1+ \frac{1}{2}d\theta\ ]##
It comes from the graph of y-##\theta## correspondence as I have attached.
Thank you but, honestly speaking, I'm still having a hard time. I think I should give it few hours, perhaps it'd make sense.
 
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If you have a random variable ##X##, you can have a function of that variable ##g(X)## which defines a new random variable ##Y=g(X)##. ##X## has a pdf ##f_X(x)##; similarly, the variable ##Y## has a pdf ##f_Y(y)##.

Assume for a moment that ##g(x)## monotonically increases. The function ##g## maps the interval ##(x,x+dx)## to the interval ##(y,y+dy)##, so the probability that ##X## is between ##x## and ##x+dx## should be equal to the probability ##Y## is between ##y## and ##y+dy##. In terms of the pdfs, you have
$$f_X(x)\,dx = f_Y(y)\,dy.$$ Since ##dy = g'(x)\,dx##, you get ##f_Y(y) = f_X(x)/g'(x)##.

If ##g## were a decreasing function, however, we'd run into a problem as the pdfs need to be non-negative. In that case, we should have ##f_Y(y) = -f_X(x)/g'(x)## instead. To cover both cases, we use the absolute value of ##g'(x)##.

Finally, if we drop the requirement that ##g## is a one-to-one function, then it's possible that more than one value of ##x## maps to a particular value of ##y##. In that case, we need to sum the probabilities to get
$$f_Y(y)\,dy = \sum_{g(x_i)=y} f_X(x_i)\,dx \quad \Rightarrow \quad f_Y(y) = \sum_{g(x_i)=y} \frac{f_X(x_i)}{\lvert g'(x_i) \rvert}.$$ This formula applied to this particular problem is where equation 3.69 comes from.
 
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Thank you very much!

vela said:
Since ##dy = g'(x)\,dx##, you get ##f_Y(y) = f_X(x)/g'(x)##.

In that case, we need to sum the probabilities to get
$$f_Y(y) = \sum_{g(x_i)=y} \frac{f_X(x_i)}{\lvert g'(x_i) \rvert}.$$

Isn't the last expression more general? I mean it's applicable even if g is one-to-one function or not.
 
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PainterGuy said:
Isn't the last expression more general? I mean it's applicable even if g is one-to-one function or not.
Yes, that's what the last paragraph of my previous post said.
 
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