Random Variables: Convergence in Probability?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of convergence in probability for sequences of random variables, specifically addressing the notation and interpretation of the absolute value in the definition, as well as the implications of using ≥ε versus >ε in the context of probability convergence.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of |Xn - X| in the definition of convergence in probability, suggesting it may be shorthand for a more detailed expression involving the sample space.
  • Another participant agrees with the interpretation that P(|Xn - X| ≥ ε) can be viewed as shorthand for P({ω ∈ Ω: |Xn(ω) - X(ω)| ≥ ε}).
  • There is a consensus among some participants that the absolute value notation refers to the usual absolute value for real numbers, not a different metric.
  • A participant raises a question about the significance of using ≥ε versus >ε in the definition, leading to a response that both forms lead to the same convergence behavior.
  • Another participant provides reasoning to support that if P(|Xn - X| > ε) converges to zero, then P(|Xn - X| ≥ ε) also converges to zero, indicating a relationship between the two expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the absolute value notation and its relation to real numbers. However, the discussion about the implications of using ≥ε versus >ε shows some exploration of the topic without a definitive consensus on the broader implications.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the notation and definitions may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve whether the two forms of the convergence condition (≥ε vs >ε) have different implications in all contexts.

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Definition: Let X1,X2,... be a sequence of random variables defined on a sample space S. We say that Xn converges to a random variable X in probability if for each ε>0, P(|Xn-X|≥ε)->0 as n->∞.
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Now I don't really understand the meaning of |Xn-X| used in the definition. Is |.| here the usual absolute value when we talk about real numbers? But Xn and X are functions, not real numbers.
Also, when we talk about the probability of something, that something has to be subsets of the sample space Ω, but |Xn-X|≥ε does not look like the description of a subset of Ω to me.
A random variable X is a function mapping the sample space Ω to the set of real numbers, i.e. X: Ω->R.
The random variable X is the function itself, and X(ω) are the VALUES of the function which are real numbers. Only when we talk about X(ω) does it make sense to talk about the absolute value of real nubmers.

So I assume the notation used in the definition above is really a shorthand for
P({ω E Ω: |Xn(ω)-X(ω)|≥ε})?

In other words, the notations P(|Xn-X|≥ε) and P({ω E Ω: |Xn(ω)-X(ω)|≥ε}) are interchangable? Am I right?

I hope someone can clarify this! Thanks a lot!:smile:
 
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Hi kingwinner! :smile:

It seems you answered your own question:

So I assume the notation used in the definition above is really a shorthand for
P({ω E Ω: |Xn(ω)-X(ω)|≥ε})?

In other words, the notations P(|Xn-X|≥ε) and P({ω E Ω: |Xn(ω)-X(ω)|≥ε}) are interchangable? Am I right?

You are 100% correct about this.
 
I see, thanks!
So I believe the |.| used in |X_n -X| above is just meant to be the usual absolute value for real numbers, and not some fancy metric, right?
 
kingwinner said:
I see, thanks!
So I believe the |.| used in |X_n -X| above is just meant to be the usual absolute value for real numbers, and not some fancy metric, right?

It's just the absolute value, don't worry :smile:
 
By the way, does it matter whether we have ≥ε OR >ε in the definition? Why or why not?
 
kingwinner said:
By the way, does it matter whether we have ≥ε OR >ε in the definition? Why or why not?

No, it doesnt. If P(|X_n-X|>\varepsilon) converges to zero, then so does P(|X_n-X|\geq \varepsilon).

The reason is

P(|X_n-X|>\varepsilon)\leq P(|X_n-X|\geq \varepsilon)\leq P(|X_n-X|>\varepsilon/2)

So since epsilon is arbitrary, all the sequences will converge together.
 
Got it! Thanks!
 

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