Range of a Matrix Transformation linear algebra

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The problem involves a matrix transformation in linear algebra, specifically examining the conditions under which the equation Ax = b has solutions for all b in R3. The original poster presents a matrix A and an augmented matrix after row reduction, expressing confusion about the existence of solutions based on the presence of pivots.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the row-reduced form of the augmented matrix to determine the conditions for solutions. Some participants question the correctness of the initial matrix setup, while others explore the implications of the row reduction results on the existence of solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's matrix and exploring the implications of the row reduction. There is an acknowledgment that the presence of a zero row in the reduced matrix indicates that not all b in R3 can yield a solution. Some participants suggest clarifying the conditions under which solutions exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of specific values in the matrix and the geometric interpretation of the solution set. There is a focus on the relationship between the variables b1, b2, and b3, particularly in the context of the conditions for solutions.

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Homework Statement


Given,
A =
[ 1 -3 4;
-3 2 6;
5 -1 -8]

b =
[b_1;
b_2;
b_3]
Show that there does not exist a solution to Ax = b for every b in R3 and describe the set of all {b1,b2,b3} for which Ax = b does have a solution.


Homework Equations


row reduction


The Attempt at a Solution


I row reduced until I got the following augmented matrix:
[ 1 -3 4 | b_1;
0 1 (-18/7)| (b_2 + 3*b_1)/7;
0 0 8 | b_3-5*b_1 - 14*b_2]
I'm confused about this because I was lead to believe that since there is a pivot for every value then there should exist a solution for every b in R3. And There is in fact a pivot in every row. Can someone explain to me if there is a solution or not and why please. I'm just not seeing why there wouldn't be one. Thank you
 
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Are you sure you wrote down the matrix correctly? In particular, is the 4 in the first row supposed to be a -4?
 
vela said:
Are you sure you wrote down the matrix correctly? In particular, is the 4 in the first row supposed to be a -4?

oops, wow I feel dumb. I even double checked it. So, I had the right idea at least right?
 
ok so with that -4 in place I got the matrix to be:

[ 1 -3 -4 | b_1;
0 1 (6/7)| (b_2 + 3*b_1)/7;
0 0 0 | b_3-5*b_1 - 14*b_2]

from this i can see that there isn't an answer for all b in R3. The 2nd part of the question asks "describe the set of all {b1,b2,b3} for which Ax = b does have a solution"

this would be where b_3-5*b_1 - 14*b_2 is equal to zero. Otherwise there would be no solution. Would I just write this or do i need to say something about b1 and b2? Would i need to say that b1 and b2 could be anything? Or how would I go about saying that?
 
It depends on what "describe" means here. You might be expected to give a geometric interpretation of the solution set.
 
SpiffyEh said:
ok so with that -4 in place I got the matrix to be:

[ 1 -3 -4 | b_1;
0 1 (6/7)| (b_2 + 3*b_1)/7;
0 0 0 | b_3-5*b_1 - 14*b_2]

from this i can see that there isn't an answer for all b in R3. The 2nd part of the question asks "describe the set of all {b1,b2,b3} for which Ax = b does have a solution"

this would be where b_3-5*b_1 - 14*b_2 is equal to zero. Otherwise there would be no solution. Would I just write this or do i need to say something about b1 and b2? Would i need to say that b1 and b2 could be anything? Or how would I go about saying that?
Good: [itex]b_3- 5b_1- 14b_2= 0[/itex] and you can write that as [itex]b_3= 5b_1+ 14b_2[/itex] so that
[tex]\begin{pmatrix}b_1 \\ b_2 \\ b_3\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix} b_1 \\ b_2 \\ 5b_1+ 14b_2 \end{pmatrix}= b_1\begin{pmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 5\end{pmatrix}+ b_2\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 1 \\ 14\end{pmatrix}[/tex].

Geometrically, what is that?
 

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