Rank condition in the Implicit Mapping Theorm

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The discussion revolves around the rank condition in the Implicit Mapping Theorem, specifically addressing why the requirement for the rank of the image to be maximal is necessary. Participants explore examples and counterexamples to illustrate their points, focusing on the implications of this condition in the context of differentiable functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the necessity of the maximal rank condition in the Implicit Mapping Theorem, asking for examples that demonstrate why this condition cannot be omitted.
  • Another participant provides a case involving a differentiable function F(y,x) and explains that if the partial derivative ∂F/∂y is non-zero, it allows for a local function to be defined. They argue that a specific example (F(y,x)=x) illustrates the failure of the theorem when the rank condition is not satisfied.
  • A third participant critiques the previous example, asserting that it does not address the original question regarding the rank of the map. They clarify that the rank of the matrix of partial derivatives is what is relevant and provide a counterexample (F(x,y)=xy) where the gradient is zero, indicating that the theorem fails in this case.
  • This participant also suggests that the correct hypothesis should focus on the rank being locally constant rather than strictly maximal, noting the implications of upper semi-continuity of rank.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the examples provided and the interpretation of the rank condition. There is no consensus on the necessity of the maximal rank condition, as some argue for its importance while others propose alternative interpretations and examples.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the rank of the map and its implications for the local behavior of level sets. The discussion reveals nuances in the definitions and conditions surrounding the theorem, particularly regarding the concepts of maximal and locally constant rank.

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Hi there. I've recently come across the Implicit Mapping theorem in my studies and noticed that there is a condition that the rank of the image must be the maximum possible. I'm not directly seeing why this condition is needed, so I was wondering if anyone could provide me with an example of why this condition cannot be dropped. Thanks
 
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The simplest case of the theorem applies to a differentiable realvalued function on R^2, say F(y,x). Then if \partial F/\partial y \neq 0 at some point (y_0,x_0), there is a neighbourhood I of x_0 in R such that there exist a differentiable f:I -> R^2 with f(x_0)=y_0 and F(f(x),x)=0 for x in I.

Now consider for instance F(y,x)=x. Then F(y,x)=0 corresponds to the vertical x=0 line in the x,y-plane. Obviously this is not (locally) the graph of some function f(x). The reason for this is that the tangentlines are vertical, which is equivalent to \partial F/\partial y = 0. So the condition is necessary.
 
That does make sense, thank you.
 
that is a bad example for the question asked. i.e. he asked about the implicit function theorem, and its relation to maximality of rank of the map.

the map here is F(x,y) and its rank is the rank of the matrix of partials with entries dF/dx and dF/dy.

the theorem says that if either of these partials is non zero at p, then the level set F= F(p) is locally a smooth manifold, i.e. the graph of a function, either y(x) or x(y), in your example x(y).

A real example where the theorem fails would be a function like F(x,y) = xy, where the gradient at the origin is (0,0), hence has rank zero, not 1.

the pair of lines xy=0 is not locally the graph of any function either of x or of y near (0,0).the correct hypothesis for the rank theorem however is not that the rank be maximal but that it be locally constant. note that since rank is upper semi continuous, rank maximal at a point, implies rank locally maximal hence rank locally constant.
 

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