Rank of a Matrix and Solving Linear Equations with Vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding the rank of a given matrix and solving a system of linear equations involving vectors. The original poster presents a matrix and a corresponding equation, seeking to express solutions in a specific vector form.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss methods for determining the rank of the matrix, including row reduction techniques. There are questions about the implications of rank and nullity on the solution structure. Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between rank, nullity, and the solution form.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between rank and nullity. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and explore the implications of the original poster's findings. No consensus has been reached regarding the rank of the matrix, and further exploration of the solution form is encouraged.

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Participants note that this is the original poster's first encounter with concepts like nullity, and there are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the problem and the notation used in the equations.

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Homework Statement


Find the rank of the matrix A,where
[tex]A= \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 & 1 & 2 & 3\\<br /> 4 & 3 & 5 & 16\\<br /> 6 & 6 & 13 & 13\\<br /> 14 & 12 & 23 & 45 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/tex]

Find vectors[tex]x_0[/tex]and[tex]e[/tex] such that any solution of the equation

[tex]Ax= \left(<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> 0\\<br /> 2\\<br /> -1\\<br /> 3 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/tex] [tex](*)[/tex]
can be expressed in the form [tex]x_0+\lambdae[/tex] where [tex]\lambda\epsilonR[/tex]

Hence show that there is no vector which satisfies [tex]*[/tex] and has all its elements positive




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First attempt at such a question, so unknown are any relevant equations

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Well for the first part to get the rank I put A in RRE form and then counted the number of non-zero rows and got for so [tex]r(A)=4[/tex]

now for the second part,I thought to solve the equation by multiplying by [tex]A^{-1}[/tex] and finding [tex]x[/tex] but then I realized that I have no idea where to get [tex]x_0[/tex] or [tex]\lambda[/tex] or [tex]e[/tex]

can anyone show me how to do these types of questions or can show me some similar example?
 
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rock.freak667 said:
Well for the first part to get the rank I put A in RRE form and then counted the number of non-zero rows and got for so [tex]r(A)=4[/tex]
Well, you made a mistake somewhere in here.

You might have guessed that -- if you can write any solution in the form the problem asks for, what does the rank of the matrix have to be?

(Hint: what does the nullity of the matrix have to be?)
 
Did I do the row-reduction wrong?
well from wikipedia...[tex]rank(A)+Nullity(A)=n[/tex] well [tex]n=4[/tex] in this case

BTW...This is the first time I have heard of nullity
 
rock.freak667 said:
Did I do the row-reduction wrong?
I believe so. The statement of the problem implies the rank is not 4. (In fact, it implies a specific number for the rank) I tried once to do the row reduction myself, and I got the number I expected.
 
Well I believe I did it over correctly and got [tex]r(A)=3[/tex]
 
yes, you seems to be correct, if this is what you were trying to get:
[tex]\pmatrix{1 & 1 & 2 & 3\cr 0 & 1 & 3 & -4\cr 0 & 0 & 1 & -5\cr 0 & 0 & 0 & 0}[/tex]

use maxima!

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/27020/2000682090404007350_rs.jpg
 
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But how do I use the fact that [tex]r(A)=3[/tex] and the nullity to find the vectors in that form?
 
Well, how do you normally solve systems of equations? Have you tried that?
 
Well normally for that matrix I would just augment it and try to put it in RRE form but then i don't know where [tex]x_0[/tex] and [tex]e[/tex] and [tex]\lambda[/tex] comes in
 
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Well, try solving it first, then think about it.

By the way, you can edit your original post to fix that one formula; you're supposed to put spaces between things. And it looks a lot nicer if you use [ itex ] instead of [ tex ] for stuff in paragraphs.
 

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