Wrong answer on Linear Algebra and Its Applications 4th Ed.

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem involving the reduced row echelon form (RREF) of a matrix and the interpretation of linear combinations of vectors. The original poster questions the validity of a provided answer in the textbook, suggesting that their understanding of the problem indicates infinitely many solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the RREF and the nature of linear combinations related to the vectors involved. The original poster seeks confirmation of their interpretation, while others reflect on the ambiguity of the problem and the linear dependence of the vectors.

Discussion Status

The conversation indicates that multiple participants agree with the original poster's assessment regarding the existence of infinitely many solutions. There is an exploration of the conditions under which linear combinations can be formed, with some noting the implications of the vectors lying in the same plane.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may be ambiguous in its wording, particularly regarding the uniqueness of the linear combination. There is also mention of the potential for no solutions if certain conditions were met in the RREF.

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<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 2 \\<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; -6 &amp; -1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 8 &amp; 6<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> \sim<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 2 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 4 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

From the RREF it is clear to me that (2, 3, 0) are valid scalars for a linear combination and there are infinitely many such solutions. However, the answer in the back of the book suggests otherwise.

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More than anything, I am asking for confirmation that my understanding is correct and that the provided answer is wrong.
 
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I'm no expert in linear algebra, (I received a B in a college course in it many years ago), but your assessment looks correct. I tried to do a Kramer's rule solution for this one, but the denominator determinant along with all 3 numerator determinants are zero==>> Kramer's rule didn't supply any solutions, but you correctly identified a solution. For this problem a3=5(a1)+4(a2) so you don't have 3 vectors that are linearly independent. B can be written as all kinds of (infinitely many) linear combinations of a1, a2, and a3 so the question is really somewhat ambiguous in my opinion for the problem that they gave you. Perhaps a better worded question is, Can "b" be written as one and only one specific linear combination of a1, a2, and a3? In any case I think you analyzed it correctly. editing...Another way to look at this one is the vectors a1, a2, and a3 all lie in the same plane and b also lies in this plane. additional editing...And if "b" didn't lie in this plane as well, then it could not have been written as a linear combination of a1, a2, and a3. Then there simply would have been no solution instead of infinitely many solutions.
 
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Charles Link said:
In any case I think you analyzed it correctly.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.
 
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@mafagafo For a little additional info, I edited post #2=I added a couple of things.
 
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mafagafo said:

Homework Statement


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The Attempt at a Solution

[/B]<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 2 \\<br /> -2 &amp; 1 &amp; -6 &amp; -1 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 8 &amp; 6<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> \sim<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 &amp; 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 2 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 4 &amp; 3 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />From the RREF it is clear to me that (2, 3, 0) are valid scalars for a linear combination and there are infinitely many such solutions. However, the answer in the back of the book suggests otherwise.
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More than anything, I am asking for confirmation that my understanding is correct and that the provided answer is wrong.
You are correct. There are infinite linear combinations of a1, a2, and a3 which gibe b .

Another is a3 - a2 - 3 a1 = b .

As Charles points out, a1, a2, and a3 lie in the same plane. Thus, they are not linearly independent, but the question does not ask about that.

If the third row of the Reduced Row Echelon Form had a non-zero entry only in the 4th column, then no linear combination would be possible.
 
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SammyS said:
You are correct.

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If the third row of the Reduced Row Echelon Form had a non-zero entry only in the 4th column, then no linear combination would be possible.

Thanks for confirming.
 

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